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Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by andybak »

frik wrote: post #56
arbitrage wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole point of a business is to come up with a plan to get people to give it money for a service. If your entire business plan is to get someone else to give you money because people completely unrelated to and uninterested in it happen to be using your service, it's not really a good plan. I'm ecstatic about the seemingly new increase in paid-for content. If it means the long dark era of scatter-shot shotgun cre…

Would you like to go back to Internet stoneage where you had to pay per page view in Microsoft Network '95 (MSN v1) or Germany's BTX from 1980s. Would you like to subscribe on hundreds of websites to access their paywall? The WWW got popular because it's friction-free and many sites are paid by advertisement money. At the moment many ad networks are just stubborn (bad ads) and greedy taking big chunk of the ads money…

I think the fairest thing is for both users to decide if they want to block ads and for site owners to decide if they want to block users who block ads.

Let's see how that pans out. I predict we'd end up mostly back where we are.

My ideal scenario would be 'informed curated blocking' where the worst offenders (ad networks that don't have sufficient safeguards against malware, genuinely abuse privacy controls or push the envelope for instrusive ads) are forced out of the market.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by aravindet »

bobajeff wrote: post #48
fridek wrote: post #35

Honest question - what business model for free content do you see other than ads? I understand all the privacy and distraction issues related, but increasingly many news sites I read feature only paid content. I suppose it's connected to the rise of ad blocking. At the moment I'm not hosting any content of such kind myself, but I wanted to publish a game and I'm facing the same question. Should I sell my soul to the…

If you only see a choice between "Free to Play" or hosting Ads then you have a problem greater than choosing your business model. You don't value your work enough to consider it valuable enough to pay for outright. First, ponder why that is, then address that issue.

One more: because its value depends on network effects. For example, it might be a communication service, a community forum or a multiplayer game.

Free (of cost) results in more users, which makes the service more valuable for every user. Unfortunately, it also prevents the developer from capturing this value directly.

In some cases, user segmentation and price discrimination is possible (ancillary paid features) but they come with extra design and development cost.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by e40 »

StavrosK wrote: post #25

I've tried uBlock a few times, but it's always been inferior to Ghostery. I want to choose what I block on each page, e.g. sometimes I want to load Disqus, sometimes I don't, etc. uBlock doesn't allow me to do any of that, does anyone know a lighter alternative to Ghostery that will still have sane lists and allow me to unblock elements on a per-page basis?

I switched to Disconnect a while back when I heard who runs Ghostery. Disconnect allows what you seek.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by freehunter »

fridek wrote: post #49
beagle3 wrote: post #40

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How much do you think you'll make from ads? Chances are, much, much less than you expect. There are exceptions (e.g. plentyoffish.com), but people I know who run popular niche sites (in the low millions of page views per month, a few tens-of-thousands unique) are happy when they manage to make $1,000/month from ads.

Actually I have no idea. Never made any money from ads, but $1k/month sounds like the kind of money I could use to improve/market the game I'm working on. There is also another question with the same roots - how much money do the sites I read need to make in order to work and maintain the same quality. I'd be glad to pay something like an equivalent of what I'm worth as an advertisement target. There was Google Contr…

How about the worst of both worlds? I subscribe to the NYT and log into their site with a paid-for account to get around the paywall and still see ads everywhere.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by anc84 »

fridek wrote: post #35

Honest question - what business model for free content do you see other than ads? I understand all the privacy and distraction issues related, but increasingly many news sites I read feature only paid content. I suppose it's connected to the rise of ad blocking. At the moment I'm not hosting any content of such kind myself, but I wanted to publish a game and I'm facing the same question. Should I sell my soul to the…

I run a free website and every year I do a one week fund raising for the costs. I don't have customers but a more or less dedicated community (some people are around for years, others come and go). The community always exceeds the amount I ask for.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by tuananh »

silvestre wrote: post #9
mrmondo wrote: post #2

How is this different from the normal / existing uBlock? https://github.com/chrisaljoudi/uBlock/releases

It's the fork developed by the original author. He transfered the main repository to another contributor for maintaining and then open-source drama ensued. I don't think they've diverged enough to recommend one over the other. I'm using Origin.

i think the original author doesn't want to take such big responsibility. it's a hobby for him only. he only works on it for fun so he transfer to another, forked it and add features as he sees fit.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by anc84 »

the8472 wrote: post #21
nickysielicki wrote: post #15

You should all check out umatrix if you have 15 minutes to spare. Made by the same guy, it's adblocking and noscript done exactly how you want it done. Block pulled-in third-party sites by default, accept all on the primary domain you're looking at, and especially block from domains on a blacklist. It breaks on a few sites, but it's not in my way as much as noscript and it's a 5 second job to get most any website to…

> it's adblocking and noscript done exactly how you want it done. it's good, but not exactly how I want it done. Namely, it's not hierarchical. E.g. I can say Site A may load frames from site B. But then site B tries to load stuff in its frame and I have to set additional rules for Site B. instead an forward pointer to "Site B default inclusion set" or something like that would be useful. Basically, hundreds of sites…

Same here. I DO want to have to re-enable third-party sites on each site I am on.

I hereby offer 10$ for someone to implement that. Yes, that is nothing for the work but that is what I feel having that feature would be worth for me right this moment.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by gpvos »

andybak wrote: post #66
gpvos wrote: post #43

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Blocking Google Analytics is the main point of any blocker I would consider using.

Would you block any analytics tracker - even one that didn't share data with 3rd parties? (i.e. a tracker that was purely to enable to site owners to gain insight into their visitors)

No, I'm mostly concerned about cross-site sharing of data.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by sp332 »

amalcon wrote: post #52
bhouston wrote: post #32

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And don't forget that uBlock blocks Google Analytics, breaks most popular travel sites if you try to actually purchase, and also error reporters like NewRelix. Most of this is the fault of the default inclusion of EasyPrivacy I believe.

Why is blocking Google Analytics bad? Isn't blocking spyware like GA the main purpose of ad blocking software?

Some people just use adblockers to reduce the annoyance of looking at ads.

Re: UBlock Origin

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Post by JohnTHaller »

gpvos wrote: post #43
bhouston wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And don't forget that uBlock blocks Google Analytics, breaks most popular travel sites if you try to actually purchase, and also error reporters like NewRelix. Most of this is the fault of the default inclusion of EasyPrivacy I believe.

Blocking Google Analytics is the main point of any blocker I would consider using.

Many sites rely on Google Analytics to be able to do their own promotions and sponsorships, which is the only way they make money other than ads. By blocking GA, the site doesn't see you as a visitor. So, you use the site resources, don't see ads and don't add to their user/page view numbers. Plus, there's the fact that lots of sites use GA to handle inter-page click tracking so they can see what paths users take to analyze UI/price sensitivity/promos/etc and blocking GA may break your ability to actually use the site at all (many travel sites, for instance).
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