http://housingmaps.com has been up for the last, what, three years? I guess some mashups are ok.
Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
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Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#72I know Craig personally, slightly, we've been on panels together. I also know Jim and Susan, been to their place in the city, hung out. I'm old, 47, been in the valley for 20+ years. Seen a lot of shit, seen a lot of people get screwed over in stock options, seen the good and seen the bad. What I'm trying to do is establish credibility (prolly didn't do a good job). Whatever. You can listen or not. Craig is good peop…
Thanks for your comment.
It's hard to establish your credentials (account created 7 hours ago, just like your post).
Normally I would have looked through your previous comments/blog and tried to establish veracity of your claims. Freshness of account means thats not possible.
But in my mind there's two options
1) You're claims are not legit, you're a stooge
Shame on you.
2) You are legit, and you are mentioning your personal opinion
Thank you! It's nice to hear someone vouching for someone.
The HN startup community do it all the time. They just happen to be 20 somethings looking (rightly) to fit into the YC community.
I don't think you are appealing to authority as your comment will be judged on its own merits. Fuck those argument technicality Nazis anyway... you're not claiming to be a doctor, or the head of some company. Nor are you claiming to have special information that other people don't have... I'm sure lots of people have met this Craig (not me I'm in London) and could deny your view hiding behind screen_names.
I'll wait to see whether you continue to post to see if its 1) or 2). In case you are 2) please don't be discouraged by ignorant haters.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#73Your problem is that in their eyes Yahoo Pipes doesn't have any legitimate uses against their feeds -- it's a naked proxy.
They'd never block Google Reader -- they'd sooner just disable RSS entirely.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#74Sorry to say but company that treats developers like dirt is doomed.
Craigslist has continued to thrive over at least ten years of neglect and hostility towards developers as well as interaction design. They seem to disprove your claim.
It is rather blunt to assume so. Nearly every week we discuss whether Google can be defeated. Yet, you think that Craigslist cannot?
My point is that their closeness will be major factor in their failure.
EDIT: I don't buy Craigslist hype. To me, their service is poor. Outside the US, especially in the East Europe, there's a lot of better alternatives. There was a lot of discussions why they succeed. I point out how they're likely to fail.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#75You guys. Get a grip. It's his company, he built it, you didn't. He makes the rules, you don't. If you don't like that, then go build your own site that has the same level of success and define your own rules. And deal with all the people who tell you you are doing it wrong, that's a lot of fun. For the record, I have no connection to craigslist other than admiring it. I'm flaming because I've got my own company and…
They're a monopolist with a bad product, like Microsoft, but they have a crunchy image so bay area hackers love them, despite the fact that they are freezing a whole sector of business in the dark ages (again, like Microsoft). Everything you wrote could have been used as a defense of Windows 98, or IE 6. You may be defending a shitty user experience with a monopolist position, but we love you Craig because at least y…
"Everything you wrote could have been used as a defense of IE6."
Well ... that's how we have Firefox now isn't it ? I mean people went ahead and built something better.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#76so how is http://housingmaps.com still allowed?
they got special permission from craigslist
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
They're a monopolist with a bad product, like Microsoft, but they have a crunchy image so bay area hackers love them, despite the fact that they are freezing a whole sector of business in the dark ages (again, like Microsoft). Everything you wrote could have been used as a defense of Windows 98, or IE 6. You may be defending a shitty user experience with a monopolist position, but we love you Craig because at least y…
"Everything you wrote could have been used as a defense of IE6." Well ... that's how we have Firefox now isn't it ? I mean people went ahead and built something better.
Hence the first sentence of his post about Craigslist's crunchy image.
"Let's get rid of IE6" is a great way to rally people. "Let's get rid of that bastard Craig Newmark," not so much.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#78I know Craig personally, slightly, we've been on panels together. I also know Jim and Susan, been to their place in the city, hung out. I'm old, 47, been in the valley for 20+ years. Seen a lot of shit, seen a lot of people get screwed over in stock options, seen the good and seen the bad. What I'm trying to do is establish credibility (prolly didn't do a good job). Whatever. You can listen or not. Craig is good peop…
Thanks for your comment. It's hard to establish your credentials (account created 7 hours ago, just like your post). Normally I would have looked through your previous comments/blog and tried to establish veracity of your claims. Freshness of account means thats not possible. But in my mind there's two options 1) You're claims are not legit, you're a stooge Shame on you. 2) You are legit, and you are mentioning your…
Hi Tezza,
good point on the recent account creation, does make me look like a stooge.
It was/is my personal opinion and I'll try and stick around and establish a track record. I mostly don't do that sort of thing any more (used to be very active) because I got tired of all the armchair quarterbacks telling me I was doing it wrong. There are millions of them and only one of me :)
One slight quibble, I am the head of a (small) bay area software company. I'd kinda like to not be, I'm tired, but for now it is what it is. To all you folks who want to run your own thing my only advice is have fun along the way, spend time with your family, friends, whatever you like, but have fun. The time passes faster than you can imagine.
Anyway, thanks for the pleasant reply, I'll try and emulate your civil tone.
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#79Hold on here, let's call a spade a spade. Your project has its own doofy .com name, calls itself "alpha", and was rolled out on a web site whose primary function is to connect people who are trying to launch online business ventures. So to wave the bloody shirt after Craig stated that RSS feeds for noncommercial purposes are golden, is a little disingenuous. As others have pointed out, Craig's whole m.o. appears to b…
I don't know if Craig is "anti-business" or not, but it doesn't appear he's "anti-making-a-ton-of-money" Check out the tax returns for the foundation: http://craigslistfoundation.org/about.html It's safe to assume the site makes a whole lot more than $650k/year, so not a whole lot of it goes to the foundation. Where do you think the rest of the money is going?
If Craig himself isn't anti-business, he certainly hired an anti-corporate CEO. See my favorite line from an online CEO bio:
"Possibly the only CEO ever described as anti-establishment, a communist, and a socialistic anarchist..."
Re: Craigslist blocks Yahoo Pipes
#80Hold on here, let's call a spade a spade. Your project has its own doofy .com name, calls itself "alpha", and was rolled out on a web site whose primary function is to connect people who are trying to launch online business ventures. So to wave the bloody shirt after Craig stated that RSS feeds for noncommercial purposes are golden, is a little disingenuous. As others have pointed out, Craig's whole m.o. appears to b…
He's done more good through his site and the $$ he generates off his site ... than you, me and the next 100 people who read this combined. Careful, the right combination of 100 HN readers might throw a monkey wrench in your calculations. =) Fortunately for you, I contribute little so the next 99 have to play catch up.
Grandparent was at 22 points when I saw it, so unless >1/5 of the people who saw the comment voted it up, I wasn't in the first 100 readers.