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Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by angersock »

Karunamon wrote: post #61
angersock wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Eich's stated beliefs." Where were these beliefs stated, other than a campaign contribution?

Does donating to a thing imply anything other than support for the thing? Does someone who donates to a presidential campaign envision any other outcome than election of the donate-ee? Does someone who donates to a political lobbying group envision any other outcome other than fulfillment of the lobbying group's goals? It's not like he donated to someone who just happened to have an odious belief, he donated to a gro…

None of those match "stated beliefs".

At best, you infer support--similarly, you might say that by voting for Obama one supports drone strikes on civilians.

This whole thing is screwy enough as it is without putting words in people's mouths to then feign outrage over.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by higherpurpose »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #18

And here is the end result of people leaving Firefox for Chrome. You neutered Mozilla. There is no longer a browser vendor which has both your interests in heart and sufficient power to direct the evolution of the web. Who now gets to choose which features are built into the majority of desktop and mobile browsers? Advertising companies.

I for one am pretty decided to move to Firefox once Mozilla integrates Servo into it (granted the performance benefits really are significant).

But I'm also waiting for Mozilla to implement its multi-process sandboxing system. Microsoft seems to be doing some interesting things on that front as well - I hope Mozilla is watching. I like the idea of having each tab in an secured app container, which sounds even better than Chrome's tab-in-a-process system.

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2015/05/11/microsoft-edg...

Of course this will only work on Windows 10, but I don't think that's any reason to wait on implementing such a system (unless it has some major issues I'm not seeing, of course).

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by [deleted] »

angersock wrote: post #58
Karunamon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you foresee a negotiation with someone's core values progressing? There's a fundamental incompatibility there, not just something that can be talked and reasoned around. You personally, the guy typing the letters into this box, what do you think the outcome of such a "negotiation" would be if it were as successful as humanly possible? At the end of the day, Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eic…

"Eich's stated beliefs." Where were these beliefs stated, other than a campaign contribution?

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Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by xirdstl »

Karunamon wrote: post #46
hoopd wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well allow me to extend thanks to you and everybody like you for damaging a very important Open Source project at a very important time. I understand it would have been difficult to sit down at the negotiation table with Eich and set an example for everybody of how to work with people you have disagreements with, but it would have been the right thing to do. Either way, you won. I hope it was worth it.

How do you foresee a negotiation with someone's core values progressing? There's a fundamental incompatibility there, not just something that can be talked and reasoned around. You personally, the guy typing the letters into this box, what do you think the outcome of such a "negotiation" would be if it were as successful as humanly possible? At the end of the day, Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eic…

Which mission statement is that? I thought their mission was specific to the Internet and open source software.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by Karunamon »

shpx wrote: post #68
Karunamon wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you foresee a negotiation with someone's core values progressing? There's a fundamental incompatibility there, not just something that can be talked and reasoned around. You personally, the guy typing the letters into this box, what do you think the outcome of such a "negotiation" would be if it were as successful as humanly possible? At the end of the day, Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eic…

> Mozilla's entire mission statement is contrary to Eich's stated beliefs https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/details/ Their mission statement is to create an open internet. To suggest that the people that made him leave cared about a culture fit at a company the didn't work at is ludicrous.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/governance/policies/part...

"Mozilla-based activities should be inclusive and should support such diversity."

Okay. If Eich was still there, this must logically be followed with:

"..Nevermind that one C-level guy over there who took positive action to deny some of you rights, this absolutely will not impact anything in any way and we as a company still hold these views of diversity and openness."

Having someone with his beliefs at such a high position makes the entire "diversity" thing ring rather hollow. No matter what you think of the whole situation, I think you can see the dissonance that would cause.

My experience with human beings is that precisely nobody can silo their beliefs like that.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by Karunamon »

angersock wrote: post #71
Karunamon wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does donating to a thing imply anything other than support for the thing? Does someone who donates to a presidential campaign envision any other outcome than election of the donate-ee? Does someone who donates to a political lobbying group envision any other outcome other than fulfillment of the lobbying group's goals? It's not like he donated to someone who just happened to have an odious belief, he donated to a gro…

None of those match "stated beliefs". At best, you infer support--similarly, you might say that by voting for Obama one supports drone strikes on civilians. This whole thing is screwy enough as it is without putting words in people's mouths to then feign outrage over.

You appear to have missed the last sentence.

If you don't see the difference between donating to a politician who has an entire constellation of beliefs, and donating to a single purpose lobbying campaign, we've nothing further to discuss.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by bcg1 »

deanclatworthy wrote: post #2

I'm curious as to why anyone would want this? I guess if you consider the new DRM integration a potential attack vector it removes that possibility. But, if you're going to install this in the first place you won't be consuming DRM content - so you probably won't even be visiting the sites that have it anyway and using the feature.

Without getting too preachy about DRM itself... the need for computing tools that exist outside of the fictitious corporate-goverment-legal structures dominated by power and money are essential to ensuring human freedom in a digital world. As we choose and are forced to have more of our lives moved into this realm, it becomes more relevant every day.

Many people do not care about those things, and prefer Netflix et al over such matters, or perhaps have never looked closely at the issue. Mozilla has (had?) a tradition and reputation for caring about this. I suspect that many of us would prefer them to go even further, such as not implement the feature at all in protest.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by shmerl »

mike-cardwell wrote: post #18

And here is the end result of people leaving Firefox for Chrome. You neutered Mozilla. There is no longer a browser vendor which has both your interests in heart and sufficient power to direct the evolution of the web. Who now gets to choose which features are built into the majority of desktop and mobile browsers? Advertising companies.

Blame Netflix for this garbage. And if you use their service, you can stop as well.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by e12e »

Apparently DRM doesn't work on Linux, yet - but either way: how can DRM even work with Free software? If I can modify the source and build my own version, surely I can [make a version of the software that] strip out the DRM? Would that make Mozilla liable as facilitating breach of the DMCA?

Or is the DRM bit really in a binary blob supplied with the gpu/audio driver? [And support in the browser is just to facilitate shipping the data to the correct api entry point]

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