China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.
China rates its own citizens – including online behaviour
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#72What I wonder about when I read things like this: How did they get to this point? What goes on in the mind of the person sitting in the "idea room" when they first thought of this? Are they just the product of an already oppressive government and therefore see this as completely and totally fine? Or do they know that it is oppressive, but since they're already a cog in the machine, they pitch the idea up and get prai…
It is also possible that the people who designed this genuinely believe that they are doing good. A thought process like this "imagine our country with super nice citizens - citizens who are respectful to elders, don't read bad stuff, don't do bad stuff, are polite, have good credit score etc etc. our country could be a model country for others, we'll truly create a society where everyone is nice to everyone else" or something along those lines. They probably thought it is for the greater good. Just one scenario.
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#73I was working on a voluntary, p2p version of this: https://github.com/neyer/respect
Re: China rates its own citizens – including online behaviour
#74That sounds basically like a Credit Rating System, similar systems exists in probably every first world country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_rating
The difference being that credit ratings are used to evaluate how creditworthy you are by looking at tangible data that is (mostly) directly related to your use of credit and actually predictive of your credit worthiness. This system gives the government the power to codify and even gamify what it means to be a good citizen. It's attempting to shape the way people think and behave in an extremely invasive way. This i…
Gamify is the perfect word, thanks.
I'm curious about what kind of game people will play once given that score.
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#75China has an authoritarian government that produces pollution that threatens the entire world, uses the great firewall to attack tech companies in other countries, ignores human rights and free speech, and supports dictators in Russia and Africa. If China gets anymore powerful, the world is doomed. We need to curb commerce with China.
Is this a joke?
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#76This is bad. But before judging China, people need to ask themselves if the hold their own government to the same standard of criticism. As an American, I feel if the US government had similar plans and someone had leaked them on Wikileaks, there would be more conversation about the leaker's girlfriend than outrage about the plans themselves.
I don't know a single person that doesn't have a very low, highly critical opinion of the US Government already. That includes essentially universal skepticism of Congress. So yes, I think Americans criticize their government almost as a professional sport. Non-stop 24/7, everywhere. Even for things the government isn't responsible for. I'd argue the only thing Americans are guilty of is too much complaining and crit…
This comment is horrible and wrong. Thanks Obama!
Re: China rates its own citizens – including online behaviour
#77This is bad. But before judging China, people need to ask themselves if the hold their own government to the same standard of criticism. As an American, I feel if the US government had similar plans and someone had leaked them on Wikileaks, there would be more conversation about the leaker's girlfriend than outrage about the plans themselves.
I don't know a single person that doesn't have a very low, highly critical opinion of the US Government already. That includes essentially universal skepticism of Congress. So yes, I think Americans criticize their government almost as a professional sport. Non-stop 24/7, everywhere. Even for things the government isn't responsible for. I'd argue the only thing Americans are guilty of is too much complaining and crit…
Most Americans do criticize the government, but only on a few party-aligned talking points. Few agree on what is worthy of criticism, and many miss the important issues because they are preoccupied by relatively inconsequential hot button issues.
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#78Let's face it: we are not going to avoid mass data collection and scoring in the west either. The technology is just too cheap to not get people tempted to do it. The least bad defense probably is to subvert this into a kind of peer to peer panopticon as much as possible. Everyone sees and rates all kinds of aspects of everyone else explicitly and publicly.
I started working on the p2p version already:https://github.com/neyer/respect
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's one method of implementing it. 1. Require that all banks have insurance for accounts that are unable to be FDIC insured but are under $200,000. 2. Legislate that credit scores take into account a score determined by Homeland Security, under the premise that homeland knows more about a person (e.g. do they gamble in monaco off books a lot? are they involved in a radical movement and likely to lose or give their…
Score is still "go" vs. "no go". You can only shut off so many people because parallel "grey" finance market arises. More finesse is needed. You can try banks to offer different deals to identical (finance-wise) people based on their HS score, but they're probably sue.
True, also with the rise of P2P lending the oligopoly of these credit rating agencies will be broken.
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#80yeah, america is so much better letting 3 private corporations do it instead.
you're all idiots.