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French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by mhandley »

zz1 wrote: post #9
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993

From machine translation of his tweets, he seems to be saying that an amendment (#437) was added last night, before the bill was passed, that makes things not so bad for datacenters. Can anyone with better French than me say what the amendment was?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by benbou09 »

higherpurpose wrote: post #40
pikzen wrote: post #14

La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…

> This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577 This is how democracy dies. Now the 95% other members of the National Assembly will say "that it's not their fault, because they didn't even vote for it!", if some major abuses happen due to this in the future. Despicable.

Nobody dared to oppose because of the recent Charlie Hebdo attacks. The opposition had a deal with the government to let the law be passed.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by eshowk »

rtpg wrote: post #62
higherpurpose wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577 This is how democracy dies. Now the 95% other members of the National Assembly will say "that it's not their fault, because they didn't even vote for it!", if some major abuses happen due to this in the future. Despicable.

I didn't realize there wasn't a quorum rule

In the constitution of the 5th republic, there is no quorum rule nor a "recall" referendum at mid-term nor a prohibition of multi tenures. That's why we need to change to basic rules of the institutions. We need rules to avoid such democratic thefts in the future, rules written by the people, not the politics professionals. This is what citizen groups like "Mouvement pour la 6eme République" advocates for (http://www.m6r.fr).

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

thesimon wrote: post #60
RBO2 wrote: post #20

It is not a hasard to have this kind of laws in France. France hasn't known dictatorship for long. French representatives don't know what a Stasi-like security state would look like. It would be harder to have such a law in Germany. The low number of delegates during the vote whows how archaic the French politic system is: they are against their own party so they prefer to be missing. There is little discussion. And…

>It would be harder to have such a law in Germany. No, we already have this law. Companies with over 10k users need to install a black box to make easy access for the state. There is also a proposal to save communication for 8 weeks, of course just to protect against terrorists.

Is that so? How are the 10k users defined? Where can one read more about this?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by realityking »

agumonkey wrote: post #67
eloisant wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the NSA was really pissed when Snowden revealed they did it secretly but France is passing a law to do it officially.

I don't know if being open and going through the legal means is better than secretly spying.

If that's the only two alternatives, it's absolutely preferably to it being in the open. This at least allows to have an open discussion like it's worthy of democracy.

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by walterbell »

dagw wrote: post #45
gerty wrote: post #3

French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.

The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. I'm assuming it's largely strategic. "Everybody" wanted to pass the bill, but no one wanted it on their voting record since they knew it was controversial. So everybody got together and selected a small number of martyrs to go sully themselves while everybody else could keep their hands clean.

Does that make it easier to reverse later?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by chinathrow »

Messiah_ wrote: post #66
chinathrow wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the law is so permissive as described, I bet someone will go for the full take.

What do you mean by full take precisely?

As said, everything.

Take everything, analyse later, break crypto even later.

If encrypted or not, doesn't matter to these folks. Their buddies at GCHQ do the same, remember?

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by chinathrow »

pikzen wrote: post #55
chinathrow wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re IMSI Catchers: tear them down when you see them.

Except that you can't do that when they're in small suitcases held by security officials. Which it was, because the DGSE and CRS were in plain sight near the National Assembly, and there were no signs of IMSI catchers before this demonstration.

A small suitcase might get lost...

Re: French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)

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Post by c2prods »

THIRTY FUCKING ASSHOLES. There are 577 deputies in France and only 30 of them are present to vote Big Brother. Fortunately, there are several steps to go: it has to be approved by the Senate and then the Conseil Constitutionnel (in charge of the Constitution) might still reject it. Nevertheless, this proves how much our political leaders DO NOT understand the Internet.
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