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Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by digi_owl »

dagw wrote: post #43
Aoyagi wrote: post #31

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Yes, but Symbian development was spinning up again, MeeGo had an amazing potential. WP was absolutely not ready to be sold.

I was working at a place trying to do smartphone type stuff with symbian way before it was cool and have been a MeeGo fan since the days when it was called Maemo so I'm about as a big a fanboy of both as they come. But the truth is that Symbian had simply been stagnant for too long and would never catch up and MeeGo for all its potential was just another platform with even less backing than WP and even less ready to…

Symbian may have been stagnant, but unless you are a Wall Street day trader you didn't much care. Symbian could demo capabilities that iOS and Android are just now sprouting (and the press is going gaga about it as if it is something completely new groan).

Re: Nokia Agrees to Buy Alcatel-Lucent for $16.6B

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Post by digi_owl »

Sammi wrote: post #51
Aoyagi wrote: post #46

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Yeah, it's true that the stagnation was a huge letdown, but when N8 and later 808 came out, I strongly believe the OS was (and still is to a degree) competitive. Incomparably more so than WP7 devices which first came out around the time of 808 as well. Just out of curiosity, what do you mean "smartphone type stuff"? Symbian has been a smartphone OS since its inception.

The iPhone set a new standard for smartphones. Symbian did not compare.

A new standard in "feed me entertainment!" perhaps.

At launch of iPhone Nokia had featurephones that were more capable.

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Post by pavlov »

josh2600 wrote: post #61
pavlov wrote: post #27

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Yeah. It wasn't Elop who created one of the most dysfunctional software development units ever. He was brought in when the damage of previous bad management was just becoming fully apparent. Nokia in 2007-2010 was spending many times more than Apple on R&D. For that money, they got multiple infighting operating system teams each developing their own half-baked thing (Symbian, MeeGo, Qt, S40) and device teams that wer…

Two words: burning platform. http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/06/the-fin... There was just no reason to write a memo like that. It destroyed their business, almost singlehandedly, and no, I'm not exaggerating. The consequences of that memo were insane: Nokia's handset sales died all over the world all at once.

We don't have more than quarter-level visibility. All we know is that Q1 2011 sales crashed and Elop wrote his memo. Which is the cause and which the consequence?

In Q4 2010, Nokia stuffed the channel with outdated products. In a market that was growing accustomed to iPhone and Android, Nokia tried to sell consumers products based on the first touch edition of Symbian S60 -- the same software that was considered outdated when it first shipped in Nokia 5800 years earlier. (Because of the way Nokia's product development pipeline worked, the mid-range phones they released in late 2010 contained software that was several years old.)

Isn't it possible that Nokia's Q1 2011 sales crashed simply because the channel was full of Symbian phones that just were not selling? As CEO, Elop would have visibility into that when he wrote his infamous memo.

A point against the "evil memo destroyed sales" theory is that purchasers at large operators don't turn on a dime. When they stopped buying Nokia's phones in Q1 2011, the decision was already made earlier.

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Post by pooogie »

TorKlingberg wrote: post #66
pooogie wrote: post #40

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> Nokia is now a formidable competitor to Ericsson and Huawei, but it won't be on Samsung's or Apple's radar again. Ericsson maybe, but Huawei is a juggernaut that leaves them in the dust (massive growth both in terms of revenue and innovation, especially in emerging markets) .Alcatel-Lucent was really struggling throughout its existence.

Huawei is generally #2 in market share, no?

For carrier networks, yes, but that changed in 2014. See this : http://www.telecomlead.com/telecom-equipment/huawei-revenue-...

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Post by yrlson »

digi_owl wrote: post #72
Sammi wrote: post #51

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The iPhone set a new standard for smartphones. Symbian did not compare.

A new standard in "feed me entertainment!" perhaps. At launch of iPhone Nokia had featurephones that were more capable.

You are maybe talking past each other a little. It wasn't case the case that the phones just lacked an app store. What really sucked about Nokia's symbian phones was the UI and the price tag. Now that's the fault of dysfunction within Nokia and not the fault of Symbian per se, but the fact remains if Nokia had just switched to Android it would likely still exist as a mobile phone company.

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Post by stox »

n8m wrote: post #28
pavlov wrote: post #18

Essentially this means that Nokia won't get back into consumer hardware for a good while. The mapping division (Here) will probably be sold soon. The mobile networks business is now the primary driver at the company. They'll have their hands full trying to integrate the Alcatel-Lucent networks business with their existing assets. (Remember that Nokia's networks business today is already the result of a merger with Si…

I just hope whoever buys HERE doesn't screw it up. At the moment I do like them more than the google maps. They are also cheaper when it comes to licenses.

Worst company name ever.
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