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Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

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post #39

The NSA are screaming 'nooooooooo' as they realise the backdoored Intel chips aren't going to be used by the Chinese!

Or maybe they are arranging for a "special batch" of CPUs to make their way to China like they did with IBM 360s in the cold war. That only lead to oil pipeline failures...

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#73
post #31

I can't help but feel that not supplying processors to the "National University of Defense Technology" is basically a textbook use of export regs? I don't really understand why people are complaining about this one?

Because it's not like selling them weapon parts or military tech, it's generic processing power. There's not much reason to slightly annoy their construction of supercomputers.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#74
post #16

Guess the Chinese were on the right track when they started their programs for domestic CPUs and other computing parts. With a bit of luck, the rest of the world gets useable alternatives to Intel and therefore cheaper chips out of it.

Intel is only dominating the x86 scene and this article says that China is working on different architectures.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#77
Meta: there's something funny about the very aggressive, sarcastic way the article is written. Not journalistic at all and pretty annoying to read even though there is good information in it.

> You may think they are not up to the mark, but remember how fast British ARM architecture became the dominant processing architecture in the world. And this group doesn’t need to worry about the antiquated x86 ISA, worry about satisfying the dumbed down shareholder masses, or overpaying their marketing and sales staff, as well as the fat check, golden parachute-protected CxOs.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#78
post #39

The NSA are screaming 'nooooooooo' as they realise the backdoored Intel chips aren't going to be used by the Chinese!

Or maybe they are arranging for a "special batch" of CPUs to make their way to China like they did with IBM 360s in the cold war. That only lead to oil pipeline failures...

Got any more info on this? A quick Google didn't reveal anything.

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#79
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denying the chinese access to Intel chips for their flagship supercomputing facility only promotes indigenous Chinese chip manufacturing. Given that there's no reason why Chinese chip design and manufacturing could not match and/or exceed western designs, this choice potentially accelerates the rate at which Western dominance over high tech goods is eroded. Furthermore, by denying Intel chips in such a high profile m…

This wouldn't have been a surprise for the Chinese. Intel would have been told a long time ago, and so likely would the university in question. It also won't be a scenario that China hasn't planned for. The reason that China's been building up its chipmakers over the last few years is for precisely this scenario; reducing the reliance on American tech. They've been doing this quite successfully; Cisco now aren't able…

et voila! http://investors.cray.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=98390&p=irol-newsA...

Re: Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”

#80
Denying tech sales to China, at this stage is just causing minor nuisance. In not-so-far future China is going to be much stronger economy than US ever was. If they want the bigger computers, they will have the bigger computers. Just calculate any "damage" done with those export rules on Chinese military - is it $2B more that needs to be spent in order to get the same capability? Or $20B? You can just watch that money float right past you to their domestic HPC and CPU industries. In effect, US is trying it's damnest to make China competitive in the one major high tech export industry that it still has undisputed world leadership in.

Only circumstance this would make any sense would be if you were sliding fast and inevitably to open conflict, and causing them setbacks worth of a few months to a couple of years would be vital. Since that is not the case, this has nothing but "strategic blunder" written all over it.

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