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Re: Ghost Call – Secure, Encrypted, Anonymous Calling

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Not associated with Ghost Call but my expectation is that they'd use the logs for debugging major bugs during the beta period. Kind of hard to identify and reproduce transient issues without those logs.

You hit it on the head. I am not interesting in anything but calls not working. After that I have no need or want for the data.

I think anyone that's built a complicated system before gets it implicitly.

Re: Ghost Call – Secure, Encrypted, Anonymous Calling

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Which is exactly my point. There shouldn't be anything for a 'server' to 'log'. If there is, then it's not anonymous, not 'secure' either depending on the definition you use, and it should not be advertised as such. At best, it's pseudonymous.

No. Wrong. I'm not affiliated but clearly they are keeping the logs around for 24h during the beta-testing of the service in order to troubleshoot any bugs founds. That would be a lot harder to do without logs. But they're not claiming to offer anonymity during the beta period I imagine, once the service is out of beta then they claim their service to be secure and anonymous. You're either splitting hairs or being un…

It doesn't matter. Even if they're not keeping logs, there is no way for you to confirm that they're not keeping logs. To them, you are not anonymous, simple as that.

Re: Ghost Call – Secure, Encrypted, Anonymous Calling

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I still don't see the problem. It is a well known argument that liberties are tend to ratchet down (never up), so that any time you give up your liberties for some new threat (say, terrorism) you are making a short-term/long-term trade off. The biggest difference was just the Franklin was talking about self-governance rather than individual civil liberties, both these are obviously closely connected. I think your ver…

I think the idea that civil liberties always ratchet down is very debatable if not flat out wrong. The only people who were guaranteed civil liberties when Franklin said that quote were wealthy, white, heterosexual, protestant men. We have certainly improved things since then. I am also not ready to categorize terrorism as a sort term issue. I don't foresee anyway the War On Terror ever really ends without us simply…

Yes, obviously when we founded a new country through a violent revolution grounded ideologically in civic freedoms, those freedoms increased. The racheting effect is only argued to occur within a given government, i.e., between revolutions or other massive shocks.

I agree that some nuances having to do with time frames were lost when this was converted to a slogan; I think we just disagree on whether this is critical. You're right that the War on Terror never ends, but that supports my point: the actual threat of terror is small and transitory, but the machinery created to fight it (including the curtailment of freedoms) persists indefinitely.

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