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Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#71

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

> It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals. "I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

>>It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals.

>"I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

"I took mine, and I'm thankful for it every day. No pity."

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#72

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

Sounds like you're projecting a lot of personal stuff into this. I don't see why anybody would defend darknet dealers. You can't be a responsible dealer if you don't know who you're selling to. Simple as that.

The next two paragraphs you wrote a bullshit though. You said you "made a choice." I suppose that was after you did some time, yes? What did you do before that? Deflecting and ignoring perhaps? Give them a chance to learn.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#73

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

Well, looking through the article it seems as if the government wants Reddit to cough up the identities of these 5 people because they've spoken about or otherwise implied knowledge of who the administrators were on a drug trading operation. Now of course there might be prosecutors intending to charge them as accessories, but it might be as simple as wanting to compel testimony about the admins.

For example, Suppose you sell servers, and someone calls you up one day wanting 30 of them. You hit it off with this client, a friendship develops, and 6 months later that person, in an unguarded moment, says 'heh, I bet you never thought those 30 servers would end up as part of the 'Drugz, maaan' empire.' Now, unless you're a mandated reporter nothing criminal has occurred so far - you gained knowledge of criminal activity, but your friend hasn't ordered any more servers from you and so you're not taking part in any conspiracy, plus you were paid long before you learned this information (let's assume you can prove all this). However, if you bragged to someone else that you knew who the boss of 'Drugz, maan' is, then prosecutors would be able to subpoena your testimony whether you wanted to give it or not.

This is just a made-up example; I just want to point out that it's not necessarily a question of criminality or free speech. The government (ie the US government, following common law principles)has always been able to compel testimony except from a defendant or a small class of other people who have an intimate relationship with a defendant (doctor/attorney/clergy person). Even though a witness may object to being called and not want to help the prosecution at all (ie a hostile witness), there's still an obligation to testify truthfully. So, free-speech advocates, just because you're allowed to say something and you may not be putting your own freedom at risk, be aware that the subject of your speech could be impacted by your statements.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#74

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

I bet you've broken at least one law today, and yesterday, and you'll break one tomorrow. Should we have no pity on you? Would it be reasonable to say that you should make better decisions?

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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i agree. recently i desired to create an online community for a small game that probably wouldn't have many users or posts. subreddits are fantastic for that type of thing, and i like the ease of use and PRAW, however, handing over all of the community's data to conde nast isn't something i'm interested in. what i'd like is a tool with which to create online communities, which would consist of a message board with up…

Reddit is no longer owned by Conde Nast. It was moved to the same parent company that owns Conde Nast and then spun off. http://www.redditblog.com/2013/08/reddit-myth-busters_6.html

dolphins and porpoises.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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> It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals. "I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

My favorite legal defense, moral relativism. "One day, this heinous crime I have committed might not be illegal. Knowing that, how can you possibly convict me!?"

I don't think you understand what "moral relativism" means. There was nothing implying such in the post you replied to.

In fact, it's anti-relativist to say that a certain law is immoral.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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... and how well does a society function if everyone gets to decide for themselves what rules they follow?

You're describing reality. When was the last time you jay walked?

Not a crime where I live. Some places run on civil law rather than the ad-hoc patchwork of common law.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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It doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it IS illegal.

Here's a hypothetical situation that will give you some perspective to consider: Eating unhealthy food with a high fat and sugar content in your country is highly illegal. In this hypothetical country you live in, the offence of eating unhealthy food is a felony and punishable by time in prison. This law makes sense: It's for the good of the people. It's a victimless crime, but the war on unhealthy food needs to be e…

Damn straight. Where do I sign up?

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#79

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

It is going to be really fun when being third party becomes a crime. When protesting the nth + 1 extension of the Disney protection laws become a crime. When having an unapproved relationship becomes a crime. When failing to report your family for their criminal actions becomes a crime.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

#80

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

I don't see any crime being committed, except maybe thought-crime.
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