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Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Re: Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Post by pain »

zackmorris wrote: post #46

I wish there was something like Bitcoin for messaging. Users need a better way to prove their identities (or hide them, depending on the situation) and be able to verify peers. The current hierarchical security system is probably destined to require money, but the free alternatives make me uncomfortable because they tend to need private keys. What I really want is an open version of Skype where the private key can al…

http://Matrix.org makes e2e pgp encryption of audio/video/text chat friendly and federated messaging.

Bitcoin is on their radar for identity proof, as one of many ways to verify https://matrix.org/docs/spec/#n-factor-authentication and could use your help

Re: Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Post by dharma1 »

Have been using Telegram for work for a few months now instead of (or in addition to) IRC - it's been very good, the mobile and desktop clients are great.

Tested Tox last year but it was super buggy. TextSecure looked good but doesn't seem to have as many users. I think Telegram will keep growing.

I just watched Durov's talk with Jimmy Wales from a couple of years back and he comes across like he genuinely cares about ideas that benefit all internet users more so than money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEHd4HbOLYM

Still, doesn't seem like a sustainable path to have the messaging infrastructure be a responsibility of one company, both for security and financial reasons. Surely some kind of tox style p2p infrastructure would be better?

Re: Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Post by StavrosK »

drdaeman wrote: post #70
catern wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>synchronizing chats between clients, The Carbons XEP[0] is now fairly widely supported and does exactly this. >user-friendly mobile clients. Conversations[1] is excellent and is free software. >push notifications The centralized system of push notifactions on Android and iOS is not yet supported, it's true, but XMPP with its extensions has pretty good support for battery-constrained devices with intermittent network…

Not to diminish the good sides, but multi-device XMPP experience is a quite complicated matter even today. For example, you'll have to give up on OTR, and you'll have to choose the software carefully.

You don't really have to give up on OTR, but OTR has to get a lot more user-friendly for that use case. Right now it breaks all over the place, and with some really obvious bad UX, too.

Re: Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Post by dmix »

dharma1 wrote: post #72

Have been using Telegram for work for a few months now instead of (or in addition to) IRC - it's been very good, the mobile and desktop clients are great. Tested Tox last year but it was super buggy. TextSecure looked good but doesn't seem to have as many users. I think Telegram will keep growing. I just watched Durov's talk with Jimmy Wales from a couple of years back and he comes across like he genuinely cares abou…

Interestingly in the talk he showed that VK had 33 million visitors monthly and Telegram apparently already has 35 million.

His new project is even more successful.

Re: Messaging apps shouldn't make money – Pavel Durov and Telegram

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Post by bmmayer1 »

ioddly wrote: post #63
bmmayer1 wrote: post #35

Just the opposite. The free software movement has led to apps and programs where the users are the product, not the customer, and companies bend over backwards for advertisers. The companies have no incentive to care about your privacy, just your data. Paid messaging apps, however (at least until they get acquired by advertising companies like Facebook), give companies incentives to service their customers first, and…

> Just the opposite. The free software movement has led to apps and programs where the users are the product, not the customer, and companies bend over backwards for advertisers. That's a business model common for SAAS applications, I don't really think it's related to free software. Gcc on linux doesn't send usage statistics to someone, I hope.

You're right. I should have said consumer software, not free software.
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