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The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

pjmlp wrote: post #36
NicoJuicy wrote: post #26

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In this particular case, i'd prefer Windows above Oracle (Java) anytime, considering they deliver malware with their Java Setup... Edit: Some people give a link to an alterantive download without malware... You know 99% of all Java downloads don't know that, do you?

There isn't any malware when downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde... Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows... Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com. While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in t…

My concern here isn't for myself. I tend to know how to avoid the malware. My concern is how they are treating the average downloader.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by throwawaymsft »

0xFFC wrote: post #67
crazychrome wrote: post #41

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why this quote got down voted? it's exactly how Opensource progresses.

1.Because MSFT doing good job 2. Gandhi was sick person, you can search about it , He was afraid of money/tea and so many things.Those good thing we hear about Gandhi I think most of them are propaganda.

1. Sure, Microsoft is doing the right thing after exhausting every other possibility. Closed source didn't work, FUD against open source didn't work (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt#Mic...), now they need to stop people from leaving their platform and tools in any way possible.

2. Ad hominem. The behavior of an individual doesn't change the truth of what they say.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by cypher543 »

rplnt wrote: post #48
ikonst wrote: post #40

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Last time I checked, code signing certificates could be had for $400 a year, not an exorbitant price to many tech enthusiasts.

However, being able to support the driver so it passes the certification process with every update is not something many tech enthusiasts would want to do.

Certification is only required if you want to display a "Certified for Windows" logo, prevent a warning dialog from displaying on Windows XP, and/or distribute your driver through Windows Update.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by Mindless2112 »

brudgers wrote: post #52
pjmlp wrote: post #36

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There isn't any malware when downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde... Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows... Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com. While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in t…

My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

Apparently, you can turn the crapware offer off.

https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/disable_offers.xml

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by chokolad »

brudgers wrote: post #52
pjmlp wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There isn't any malware when downloading from http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde... Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows... Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com. While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in t…

My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

There is a new installer available for windows version of Minecraft which has a private version of JRE and does not require standard system-wide version of Java installed.

https://minecraft.net/download

Minecraft for Windows Download and run Minecraft.msi. This will install Minecraft and create a shortcut in your start menu. If you'd like a version without an installer, you may use Minecraft.exe instead. You do not need Java installed to run either of these.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

gonvaled wrote: post #53
sliverstorm wrote: post #6

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Let me see if I have this straight: - Keeps source closed. Is therefore evil. - Opens source. Must be up to no good, because is evil. This might qualify for the original meaning of, begging the question...

Well, they will need to do a bit more than that to change the prevailing perception that they are up to no good (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish and http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06/02/ballmer_linux_is_a_c... ) And you rightly ask: how much time needs to pass by to forget about all that, and judge MS by its current behaviour? The answer is very subjective, but for me it is somethin…

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Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by rplnt »

cypher543 wrote: post #73
rplnt wrote: post #48

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However, being able to support the driver so it passes the certification process with every update is not something many tech enthusiasts would want to do.

Certification is only required if you want to display a "Certified for Windows" logo, prevent a warning dialog from displaying on Windows XP, and/or distribute your driver through Windows Update.

The warning dialogue is displayed on all versions of Windows, depending on the driver. Some can't be installed at all.

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by chrismarlow9 »

aceperry wrote: post #18

I must say, I'm very impressed with all of the open source moves that MS has done lately. I wonder if that will drive more adoption of C# and cause Oracle to open up Java. I'm not a fan of C# because it's basically only used on windows systems, despite xamarin and et al.

From my experience C# was pretty much following Scala down the functional road, and the syntax was quite similar. Maybe you should check out Scala.

Edit: I say "was" because I used to develop C# and had experience porting C# apps to Scala (so that we could run it on linux, lol).

Re: The Windows Driver Frameworks are on GitHub

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Post by auxym »

NamTaf wrote: post #10

What effect will this have on the ability to boost driver support in Linux, if any? FreeBSD has ndisgen [1], but would this help improve that or a broader set of driver use in Linux? Secondly, what about WINE? [1]: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=ndisgen

Linux has ndiswrapper
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