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To me, the worst part of this is that there are places where Facebook is free but you need to pay for an internet connection. If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet, we are moving in the wrong direction.

What constitutes the real internet - the rest of it ?

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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post #70

To me, the worst part of this is that there are places where Facebook is free but you need to pay for an internet connection. If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet, we are moving in the wrong direction.

They went from having no free internet to having Free facebook + other core sites like wikipedia through Facebook's internet.org, but it's moving in the wrong direction?

>If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet

They can, but it's not free, and a lot of people have no other option but to use what is free. This corporate money-making machine just provided pure value to a ton of people, there's no downside to having this additional option available.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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post #70

To me, the worst part of this is that there are places where Facebook is free but you need to pay for an internet connection. If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet, we are moving in the wrong direction.

Free Facebook means the ability to send and receive messages with ~1 billion people at no cost. That's hugely valuable to a lot of people without the money for a general-purpose Internet connection.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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Couldn't you just use Facebook's "Fetch as FacebookBot" feature and just fetch the pages yourself? Example: https://developers.facebook.com/tools/debug/og/echo?q=https%... I was thinking about doing this since on my network Facebook access is free but Internet isn't. (2nd world country, but barely)

It looks like it is more general purpose, than just html browser.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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I think this is kind of abusive of FB's infrastructure TBH. It must be hard to keep real-time messaging up for ... okay, I was going to say for 1 billion users, looked it up and it's 1.3 billion monthly actives - 890 million daily actives (Jan 2014 figure). So tell you what, on second thought I think they can handle your data. however there's a good chance you'll cause some infrastructure problems since I'm sure ther…

I totally support this "abuse" of their infrastructure if it makes them realize that giving free access to their own social network via Internet.org isn't a charitable endeavour.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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I think this is kind of abusive of FB's infrastructure TBH. It must be hard to keep real-time messaging up for ... okay, I was going to say for 1 billion users, looked it up and it's 1.3 billion monthly actives - 890 million daily actives (Jan 2014 figure). So tell you what, on second thought I think they can handle your data. however there's a good chance you'll cause some infrastructure problems since I'm sure ther…

Maybe if it becomes popular, it'll make facebook rethink wanting to store everyone's messages until the end of time.

Hahahah nope.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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post #70

To me, the worst part of this is that there are places where Facebook is free but you need to pay for an internet connection. If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet, we are moving in the wrong direction.

They went from having no free internet to having Free facebook + other core sites like wikipedia through Facebook's internet.org, but it's moving in the wrong direction? >If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet They can, but it's not free, and a lot of people have no other option but to use what is free. This corporate money-making machine just provid…

there's no downside to having this additional option available.

Sure there's a lot of value in communicating with other Facebook users, but if you can't see the possible downside of having a large group of people's first and only connection being through a corporate-controlled view of the world, you're not using your imagination.

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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They went from having no free internet to having Free facebook + other core sites like wikipedia through Facebook's internet.org, but it's moving in the wrong direction? >If the average user can only access the mindless corporate money-making machines and not the real internet They can, but it's not free, and a lot of people have no other option but to use what is free. This corporate money-making machine just provid…

there's no downside to having this additional option available. Sure there's a lot of value in communicating with other Facebook users, but if you can't see the possible downside of having a large group of people's first and only connection being through a corporate-controlled view of the world, you're not using your imagination.

Can you actually make the argument that access to Facebook/Wikipedia/etc is worse than no Internet whatsoever?

Re: Tunneling Internet traffic over FB chat

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It would certainly be interesting if facebook started to provide proxy access

The question then is, do you trust facebook more than your isp?

For those of us with Comcast, it's a pretty close race...
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