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Re: Water Fluoridation Linked to Higher ADHD Rates

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Of course you're right, which is exactly why I didn't write that . Again: the paper might be correct, but past experience has taught me to be skeptical.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9156257 I was bothered by this study, and particularly this bit: "After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression an…

I took a quick look. From the paper:

>Past year mental health indicators new to this study were suicide thoughts, suicide plan...[etc]

So, it looks like 'past year' applies to all of the terms. I think the study was looking at the long term effects, so if people who quit long ago didn't report any issues, that would support the thesis that 'taking psychedelics doesn't affect long term mental health'. I'm generally not a fan of studies about illegal activity that use voluntary surveys, but this one doesn't look poorly run. However, once you start putting maths to psychology, things get weird very quickly and it's difficult to tell what's valid and what isn't.

Re: Water Fluoridation Linked to Higher ADHD Rates

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9156257 I was bothered by this study, and particularly this bit: "After adjusting for sociodemographics, other drug use and childhood depression, we found no significant associations between lifetime use of psychedelics and increased likelihood of past year serious psychological distress, mental health treatment, suicidal thoughts, suicidal plans and suicide attempt, depression an…

I took a quick look. From the paper: >Past year mental health indicators new to this study were suicide thoughts, suicide plan...[etc] So, it looks like 'past year' applies to all of the terms. I think the study was looking at the long term effects, so if people who quit long ago didn't report any issues, that would support the thesis that 'taking psychedelics doesn't affect long term mental health'. I'm generally no…

Thank you for taking the time. I disagree, I don't think they mention "long term" mental health anywhere. They just say mental health without qualifying it. In fact they only mention "long-term" benefits.

I find it really objectionable that it's titled:

"Psychedelics not linked to mental health problems or suicidal behavior: A population study"

while looking at whole lifetime usage and comparing with past year effects.

If there was suicidal behaviour("successful" or otherwise) and mental health problems in the immediate aftermath of taking psychedelics over a lifetime, they don't really have any way of capturing that information unless it's happened in the last 12 months. We agree that the "past year" applies to all of the terms.

Just seems really irresponsible to me, but I'm clearly biased.

Re: Water Fluoridation Linked to Higher ADHD Rates

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I wonder if this is the rat study: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378427408... Things to note: they soaked cultures of rat hippocampus neurons in various concentrations of sodium fluoride. They didn't make the rats drink fluorinated water. It's difficult for fluoride to cross the blood brain barrier.

You don't have to wonder. You can follow the link right there in the Newsweek article, and find it's a different study. Here it is for your convenience: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7760776 From the abstract: "For prenatal exposures, dams received injections (SC) of 0.13 mg/kg NaF or saline on gestational days 14-18 or 17-19. Weanlings received drinking water containing 0, 75, 100, or 125 ppm F for 6 or 20 week…

And the EPA limits it to 4ppm.

So...

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