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Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

If you want some anxiety, I suggest this guy's pictures and videos: http://raskalov-vit.livejournal.com/ Couple of highlights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLDYtH1RH-U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkuCzgg7fo http://raskalov-vit.livejournal.com/136573.html

the shanghai tower crane climb is INSANE.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was struck by his genuine self-confidence and lack of fear. It didn't come off as daredevil machismo at all. I thought it was inspiring. Von, I'd be curious to know how you reached that level of comfort? Is it just the way you are, do you have training or experience in stunt work, something else?

No doubt, but self confidence != immunity from mistakes. On the side of a mountain, that's one thing, on the side of a skyscraper it imposes risks on other people which they never signed up for. See my comment elsewhere in the thread about the camera rig, for example - sorry, but it's inadequate.

I read your other reply and I see your point now.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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post #47
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everything was doubly tied down, don't worry :) The person holding was there simply to maintain tension the entire way as the models walked from the side to the edge. As for the camera, the flex comes from the metal itself but it was also extra secured with straps in the event that anything fell loose.

As someone who has spent a fair bit of time working on swingstages, towers and other structures, there's a few things that immediately caught my attention. Yes, I'm going to be that guy. - As this appears to be a photoshoot for SmugMug, of SmugMug employees, does Smugmug carry the proper class of insurance on their employees to allow this sort of work? In most cases, unless additional coverage was purchased from the…

We call these "Blood Rules" at my place of business because every single one likely has an unfortunate origin.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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post #13

The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

Sorry you feel that way :( We had home-made budget costumes that were hand painted so this was the best solution. On the flip side though, I think you'll enjoy these behind the scenes without photoshop : https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5ixzup47wcm1tw/BTS_katherine-2.jp... (theres more on the dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bqtxeldmqiacm9y/AACk0lp0tl9ncGvzl... )

You know what? And I say this with all respect: screw how s/he feels.

This is art. And it's not art of the kind where I decide to strip down to my underwear, decide to throw spaghetti and sauce at a large white canvas and say, "hey look at what I created".

What you've done is impressive and I'm willing to bet unlike anything anyone else commenting on this post has ever done.

It's cool. It's edgy. It's different.

Sure he's got an opinion, and that's fine. He likes RAW better than your final shots but so what? He might also like my spaghetti splattered canvas.

Your shit is cool--cool enough that you think it's worth showing and therefore, cool enough for you to be proud of it the way it is.

Great job!

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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What it is about our minds that make it so easy to imagine being up there, on the ledge, looking down, maybe with one foot over... and my palms are sweating heavily already. It's a bit like having a child; I now spend nights worrying about the most ridiculous events that could happen to my daughter. Why do our brains like to torture us like this?

Because 99.9% of the time those inbuilt reflexes are what keep you and others alive; people who don't have them get Darwin awards. I was glad to see they used safety equipment, especially since they were working with non-professionals, but I was annoyed that they didn't mention it in the article and played it down in preference of the breathless self-affirming schtick. Safety protocols matter, because they're what ma…

> The photographer standing on the corner of the building with no safety so he can take a selfie? Fuck him. Doing that on your own or with similarly risk-tolerant friends? OK, enjoy your dangerous hobby

If he falls or drops any equipment, he puts the people below him at risk of fatal injury. This isn't just a question of showing off for an audience, it's a question of the safety of bystanders.

As others have said, the level of safety demonstrated here appears negligently insufficient to match the risk to the photographic subjects and to bystanders below, machismo aside.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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post #10

That rigging looked outrageous. All I saw was one guy holding onto the models. If a model slipped and fell, that guy won't have stood a chance in holding them back. Hopefully the person was themselves hooked into the roof, and the rigging was hooked into the roof, with him acting on belay. But I certainly didn't see that. I'm so glad nothing bad happened, but this seemed irresponsible from a safety and technical stan…

Everything was doubly tied down, don't worry :) The person holding was there simply to maintain tension the entire way as the models walked from the side to the edge. As for the camera, the flex comes from the metal itself but it was also extra secured with straps in the event that anything fell loose.

Von Wong, you know what would have really been impressive. If you had taken a moment to show the rigging in the making-of video. Just a walk through of the precautions that you used to showcase what an excellent shoot coordinator you and your team were. Jumping up and taking the crazy selfie was fun and crazy Russian style, leading to a fair degree of narrative power and sweaty palms, but it wasn't good safety promotion on your part. For the dudes that do this, it doesn't always work out for the best - those crazy youtube/liveleak videos sometime come with terrible falls. I've been in shot situations where I'm so glad nothing went wrong, and thankfully we didn't have behind the scenes footage to show how poorly rigged our set up was, but showing your dedication and diligence for the safety of those people that you were shooting would really be a testament to your work. It's my opinion that this bordered on unsafe and irresponsible. It's clear from your other videos that you care deeply about your creative work, you can do better with your technical and safety work as well. I'm glad nothing bad happened.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

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Professional Rigger here (SPRAT & IRATA Certified) & logged thousands of hours as a safety supervisor around the world mostly on wind turbines, but also on bridges & buildings (Guggenheim, MetLife Stadium, etc.). Photos of my team and friends: http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/09/07/arts/artsspec... http://news.auroraphotos.com/wp-content/uploads/petzl.jpg I have a bone to pick with the safety setup for this p…

Thank you so much for doing a more detailed examination of the shoot, and offering your services in support to the photographer and to SmugMug. The safety on this shoot was terrible, and I'm so glad, considering how trusting and nervous the employees were, that nothing bad happened. But this type of reckless shooting, either for film, photo or video, needs to be addressed. Thank you for bringing this up as well. People don't understand how easy, and unforgiving a slip can be in conditions like this.

I was at Pinnacles National Monument when a lead climber swung around and pivoted out of his harness, resulting in a fatal fall. The whole process took about a second. It literally happened in the blink of an eye, and there was nothing anyone could do to stop it.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#79
post #13

The final pictures are so heavily over-produced that they look incredibly fake-- which is a shame and leaves me totally baffled. It looks like someone literally painted the figure on the picture. The only time anxiety kicked in was the picture of the whole team posing for a shot at the corner.

Sorry you feel that way :( We had home-made budget costumes that were hand painted so this was the best solution. On the flip side though, I think you'll enjoy these behind the scenes without photoshop : https://www.dropbox.com/s/y5ixzup47wcm1tw/BTS_katherine-2.jp... (theres more on the dropbox link: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/bqtxeldmqiacm9y/AACk0lp0tl9ncGvzl... )

Your selfie on the video looks amazing too.

Re: Photographing people on the edge of a skyscraper in San Francisco

#80

What it is about our minds that make it so easy to imagine being up there, on the ledge, looking down, maybe with one foot over... and my palms are sweating heavily already. It's a bit like having a child; I now spend nights worrying about the most ridiculous events that could happen to my daughter. Why do our brains like to torture us like this?

Because 99.9% of the time those inbuilt reflexes are what keep you and others alive; people who don't have them get Darwin awards. I was glad to see they used safety equipment, especially since they were working with non-professionals, but I was annoyed that they didn't mention it in the article and played it down in preference of the breathless self-affirming schtick. Safety protocols matter, because they're what ma…

> people who don't have them get Darwin awards.

Darwin awards, making fun of people who have died. Never really got how that became cool.

More often than not a combination of drug addiction, poverty and mental illness that lead to there demise.

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