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Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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It's ridiculous how much money tech has yet media can push us around. I know media has been in bed with the govt for a longer time, but in DC, money talks and bullshit walks. why can't we bribe errr lobby the hell out of DC on behalf of what's best for society and tech.

If the taxpayer wasn't so easily distracted they should be voting for Lobby Neutrality where the communication ways with politicians would be guaranteed to be equal to everyone, be they a citizen or a corporation or Israel.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need people to call and write their representatives. Europe has moved towards greater transparency and received 150,000 public comments, http://www.computerworlduk.com/blogs/open-enterprise/ttip-up... "The Commissioner outlined two main proposals for boosting transparency. First, to extend access to TTIP texts to all Members of the European Parliament, beyond the currently limited group of Members of the European…

I'm not sure the European powers that be are as transparent about TTIP in practice as the spin might suggest, though: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/transatlantic-trade-and-i... "In a meeting in London today (16 February 2015) Vince Cable and UK Trade Minister Lord Livingston will ask Commissioner Malmström to give senior UK parliamentarians access to TTIP treaty text as it is developed, so that they can monitor…

Its seems to be worse than this. According to a radio interview I heard a few weeks ago only MEP's can look at the TTIP text and then only in a special secure room. They are not allowed to make any notes or take any copies and are not permitted to discuss it.

TTIP seems to me the antithesis of any semblance of a democratic process we should support. I don't know how they get away with it.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#73

It's ridiculous how much money tech has yet media can push us around. I know media has been in bed with the govt for a longer time, but in DC, money talks and bullshit walks. why can't we bribe errr lobby the hell out of DC on behalf of what's best for society and tech.

If the taxpayer wasn't so easily distracted they should be voting for Lobby Neutrality where the communication ways with politicians would be guaranteed to be equal to everyone, be they a citizen or a corporation or Israel.

> where the communication ways with politicians would be guaranteed to be equal to everyone, be they a citizen or a corporation or Israel.

So... everyone in America is entitled to about 52 milliseconds a year with each politician? That's how you'd have to split it up to be "equal" (assuming we force politicians to spend an unrealistic 12 hours a day satisfying the requirement to provide "equal" lobbying opportunities).

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#74
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> the public will know anyway. Yes, but that does not mean the public can actually do something about it (not saying we should not try, though). Political lobbies can be more powerful than citizens, it would not be the first time it happens.

> that does not mean the public can actually do something about it If public businesses and consumers believe they can or cannot do something about it, they are correct (remember SOPA/PIPA? http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/media/2012/01/5094412/... ). Choosing which something is the important part. Learning about the proposals is a start. Why did most countries drop their opposition to criminalization proposals?…

> Possibly because implementation will be delayed until the government who sign the agreement have left office,

I don't get it, why would the next government be any more eager to implement the proposals? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't these sorts of agreements broken all the time because signors couldn't get the necessary laws passed?

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#75

Here's the deal with the TPP. It is a critical component of the financial and strategic future of the United States. Put plainly, Asia and the Pacific Region is forecasted by both OECD and the International Monetary Fund to be the primary area of financial growth for the next several decades (while down in the latest report the long term prospects are encouraging). China continues to grow despite recent staggarings;…

So basically, us people sre losing out to macho posturing between large countries that refuse to get along.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#76
The Media lobbying efforts, specifically with respect to Copyright and punishment, make the Patent Wars look like a knock-off. According to the MPAA/RIAA, their industries are essentially responsible for the health of the US economy...if you read some of their PR, that's what you'll find. Deeper evaluation of the numbers shows they're outright lying about their importance. Like with many large entities, the money floats to the top (e.g. "investors") and wages, labor conditions, and investment in communities is outright terrible. It has been this way for a long time, and the money pays to influence DC and the world to try and keep the status quo.

If you want a couple good explanations for how the Media industry keeps rigging the game, just take a look at two of the major power players / persons of influence. One is Chris Dodd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Dodd). The other is Maria Pallante (http://copyright.gov/about/office-register/). Through their words, actions, and espoused philosophies, neither of them genuinely serve the public interest, or by proxy, the US economy. It's not about individuals, per se, but about power being funneled through individuals that needs to be strongly monitored.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the taxpayer wasn't so easily distracted they should be voting for Lobby Neutrality where the communication ways with politicians would be guaranteed to be equal to everyone, be they a citizen or a corporation or Israel.

> where the communication ways with politicians would be guaranteed to be equal to everyone, be they a citizen or a corporation or Israel. So... everyone in America is entitled to about 52 milliseconds a year with each politician? That's how you'd have to split it up to be "equal" (assuming we force politicians to spend an unrealistic 12 hours a day satisfying the requirement to provide "equal" lobbying opportunities…

How about everyone in America goes to some lobby.gov website, and either put in a new topic, or vote an existing topic up, for X amount of topics to be discussed the coming weekend.

There are many ways to solve this, and even if each person had 52ms that would be better than the current system.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#78

I can't speak for the US, but I'm just not buying the fear about the TPP. I honestly can't see the Australian judiciary sending people to jail, or issuing large fines, for sharing media. Suppose the sentencing is mandatory leaving the judiciary with no choice. We'll see how long that lasts, but very well then, I'll happily spend 3 months in an Australian prison for sharing media. I think you'd probably have to book i…

> I honestly can't see the Australian judiciary sending people to jail, or issuing large fines, for sharing media.

You'll either be right, or you'll be wrong. If the latter...

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#79

I can't speak for the US, but I'm just not buying the fear about the TPP. I honestly can't see the Australian judiciary sending people to jail, or issuing large fines, for sharing media. Suppose the sentencing is mandatory leaving the judiciary with no choice. We'll see how long that lasts, but very well then, I'll happily spend 3 months in an Australian prison for sharing media. I think you'd probably have to book i…

This is the kind of legislation that can be enforced selectively. Don't like the guy? Is he with the opposition or is he a journalist? This makes it dangerous to democracy.

Re: Go to Prison for File Sharing? That's What Hollywood Wants in the TPP Deal

#80

It's ridiculous how much money tech has yet media can push us around. I know media has been in bed with the govt for a longer time, but in DC, money talks and bullshit walks. why can't we bribe errr lobby the hell out of DC on behalf of what's best for society and tech.

Media doesn't just have money for buying ads. It has its own TV programs with talking heads that tell everybody what to think.
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