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Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by cpeterso »

RaleyField wrote: post #64
lewisl9029 wrote: post #58

Only somewhat related, but is there still no way to access the clipboard in a web app without flash?

Flash code can read clipboard from Flash/browser i.e. it can run in background and silently and continuously collect contents of clipboard? If so then it should be rightfully classified as spyware and purged from every computer.

I think Flash only allows SWF content to access the clipboard in response to a user click.

GitHub's "copy repo URL to clipboard" button uses Flash to write to the clipboard. Shumway has implemented Flash's clipboard APIs (which it can do because it can access Gecko XPCOM APIs as a Firefox extension), but they are currently disabled because Shumway hasn't implemented the "in response to user click" bit yet.

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by cpeterso »

espadrine wrote: post #37
realusername wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes exactly and from my experience it's really the best browser available on Windows XP. I've even seen myself a Windows XP with Firefox installed in a shop just a few days ago.

Out of curiosity, what are the options on Windows XP? IE 8, Opera 12?

In 2013, Google said they would support Chrome on Windows XP until at least April 2015:

http://chrome.blogspot.com/2013/10/extending-chrome-support-...

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by cpeterso »

rplnt wrote: post #38
cpeterso wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

About 25% of Firefox Windows users run Windows XP.

Is that a real number? I've seen a huge decrease in Windows XP users over the last year, from almost 20% to bellow 10%. But that was for different product, so I'm wondering if FF got it this bad.

Yes, though I don't have a public source for it. I don't know why Firefox's OS version statistics are not public. Wikipedia says 49% of computers in China run Windows XP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP#Support_lifecycle

Microsoft added its "Genuine Windows" copy protection in XP SP3, so XP SP2 is especially common. (Firefox supports both XP SP3 and SP2.)

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by maherbeg »

I'm one of the developers on the video player used on that page. Great work guys!

Edit: I should add in, the player is primarily Javascript with a small rendering engine for Flash fallback. Even in the Flash case, everything is controlled via JS through a flash bridge. We prioritize HTML5 video when possible across browsers and devices.

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by yuhong »

cpeterso wrote: post #73
rplnt wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that a real number? I've seen a huge decrease in Windows XP users over the last year, from almost 20% to bellow 10%. But that was for different product, so I'm wondering if FF got it this bad.

Yes, though I don't have a public source for it. I don't know why Firefox's OS version statistics are not public. Wikipedia says 49% of computers in China run Windows XP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP#Support_lifecycle Microsoft added its "Genuine Windows" copy protection in XP SP3, so XP SP2 is especially common. (Firefox supports both XP SP3 and SP2.)

This is a myth actually, and I hope they can kill XP SP2 support in 2015. At least getting rid of the SHA1 cert at the download site at the end of 2015

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by maherbeg »

I just tested against Firefox Nightly on the amazon pages and it doesn't appear to be even loading the Flash renderer.

We feature detect flash via the navigator.plugins object and from that thread it doesn't look like shumway is listed there.

(I'm a dev on that player)

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by mbebenita »

cpeterso wrote: post #30
nchelluri wrote: post #21

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Am I correct in thinking the face on the site is supposed to be like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid2#mediaviewer/File:Acid2_r... , but maybe updated with some of Flash's capabilities?

Yes. It's a variant of Acid2 face. I don't know where that SWF is from originally.

It was designed by the Shumway team as a SWF that uses many of the Flash features. It's full of easter eggs.

Re: Firefox Nightly now plays Amazon.com Flash videos using Shumway

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Post by cpeterso »

maherbeg wrote: post #76

I'm one of the developers on the video player used on that page. Great work guys! Edit: I should add in, the player is primarily Javascript with a small rendering engine for Flash fallback. Even in the Flash case, everything is controlled via JS through a flash bridge. We prioritize HTML5 video when possible across browsers and devices.

maherbeg: thanks!

Our team was uncertain how to reach at Amazon to get your blessing. :) If you (or Amazon management :) have any problems or concerns, please feel free to email me at cpeterson at mozilla dot com!

re HTML5 video: do you use it on desktop browsers? Mozilla is working hard to improve our HTML5 video implementation. Can we opt in Firefox for HTML5 video? Playing Flash videos in Shumway is just a stepping stone on the path to HTML5 video.

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