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Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by Zibulon »

yellowapple wrote: post #68
timw0j wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine that in combat (as bows were used when these techniques were "lost") you didn't have to be bullseye-accurate. Close to where you were aiming is often good enough.

On the other hand, he manages to be bullseye-accurate (as evidenced by the size of many of the targets he managed to hit - including hitting other arrows mid-flight).

Actually not so hard - below 30 meters, you can have that kind of accuracy with not too much effort IMHO - in recurve archery, we shoot only 3 arrows, on separate targets, starting at 50 meters, to avoid breaking arrows (the next one hitting the preceding one). At 30 meters, I can let go of sight and a lot of technique and still be "bullseye" as he is.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by Zibulon »

regularfry wrote: post #6
zaroth wrote: post #3

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And not even that but unloading with less than a second after spinning around from facing the other way? It actually puts Legolas to shame.

A second's quite a long time. Depending on the weight of the bows he's using, a quick, explosive release might be the only way he can actually put enough energy into the bow to get a shot off at all.

I wouldn't worry about his bow weight. The trajectory of his arrow on one of outdoor shots show he is not even shooting 30 lbs. You can hold that as long as you want.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by Zibulon »

tlear wrote: post #32

A lot of it makes a ton of sense. But draw weight of the bow and weight of the arrows make a huge difference. Would be really interesting to see him do this even half as effectively using and 80-100lb warbow with heavy war arrows. Weaker stuff will not punch through even the worst armour at any kind of decent range. Also I wonder if this works with light flight arrows used to harass enemy at range and kill horses. Hi…

IMHO, he doesn't have the technique to handle 80 lbs.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by fiatjaf »

dsr_ wrote: post #21

None of these are forgotten archery techniques. Some of them are acrobatic, some are silly, some are unreliable. (Some fall into more than one of those categories.) Modern Olympic archers are all about accuracy, with no points for speed other than an overall time limit. If you want to learn archery with both speed and accuracy, you could do worse than to find your local SCA group. A Royal Round is a set of six arrows…

At /r/Archery people were loving this guy, or hating him for doing a fake video, but not despising or underrating him as a silly acrobat.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by narag »

Zibulon wrote: post #55
sandworm wrote: post #44

As someone who owns a bow (old bowtech patriot) and has spent countless hours in the woods with bows, this guy is a gymnast, not an ancient archer. (1) Archery has never been about speed. You don't need to be a hunter to appreciate that hunting does not involve any bouncing around like a woodland sprite. (2) Arrows are not bullets. The do not kill quickly. Shooting at people five or ten feet away is suicide. Even if…

Concur. Besides, he is probably shooting less than 30 lbs which is enough for his stunts, when you want to be shooting 70-80 lbs for hunting. Given his technique, I'd like to see him pull that. As for "war", I've seen medieval estimates of 140 lbs, which always left me wondering, because after 20 years pulling 45 lbs myself, 140 lbs just means "injury" to me.

When I was a boy we visited... not sure, Granada I think. There were both a museum and shops around that sold swords, of the old broad type. They weigthed a lot. The teacher made us notice the size of armour. That people were very short and still could wield 15 kg effectively.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by jdmichal »

Zibulon wrote: post #56
jdmichal wrote: post #49

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Being able to reliably hit a very small target at 70 yards at full draw is exactly what I would want for hunting. That game is easily spooked and can likely evade you better than you can chase it. Why in the world would you want to get any closer than necessary and be moving while attempting to shoot it? Not to mention that his 10 shots at the beginning of the video are no where close to full draw. I'd suspect that e…

Hunting at 70 yards? All the bowhunters at my club practice below 50 yards.

That's exactly my point. Olympic archery is at 70 yards, and they are very consistent at hitting the inner rings of the target. That extra distance would be great for hunting.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by Mithaldu »

lisper wrote: post #38

I wonder how many takes he had to do before getting the video of splitting an arrow in flight. It's pretty damn impressive either way, but I still have a hard time believing he can do that reliably.

If i read the description right, it took him 14 tries.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by killerpopiller »

Zibulon wrote: post #56
jdmichal wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being able to reliably hit a very small target at 70 yards at full draw is exactly what I would want for hunting. That game is easily spooked and can likely evade you better than you can chase it. Why in the world would you want to get any closer than necessary and be moving while attempting to shoot it? Not to mention that his 10 shots at the beginning of the video are no where close to full draw. I'd suspect that e…

Hunting at 70 yards? All the bowhunters at my club practice below 50 yards.

would it be ok to write the amount in m - this yard values still have no meaning to me and probably many others here

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by olifante »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #39
tlear wrote: post #32

A lot of it makes a ton of sense. But draw weight of the bow and weight of the arrows make a huge difference. Would be really interesting to see him do this even half as effectively using and 80-100lb warbow with heavy war arrows. Weaker stuff will not punch through even the worst armour at any kind of decent range. Also I wonder if this works with light flight arrows used to harass enemy at range and kill horses. Hi…

On a castle tour in the UK there was a discussion about the advantage the longbow gave the English. Something that I had not considered was that shooting an arrow up at an angle, allowed it to accelerate due to gravity on the way down, and that was a large component of its velocity at impact. In this way the amount of energy it lost due to air resistance was minimized. Much more complex than I expected.

I very much doubt that the arrow will gain any velocity going down that it didn't have when shot upwards. Remember that the arrow needs initial vertical velocity to reach any height.

Re: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery [video]

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Post by wingerlang »

killerpopiller wrote: post #78
Zibulon wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hunting at 70 yards? All the bowhunters at my club practice below 50 yards.

would it be ok to write the amount in m - this yard values still have no meaning to me and probably many others here

Had to look it up

70 yards = 64 metres

50 yards = 45 metres

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