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Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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9/11 style terrorism was solved by reinforcing the cockpit doors. Everything else has been police state fear mongering.

This. It saddens me that 10+ years later the theatre is still running in every-single-airport around the world (admittedly in varying degree).

http://www.terminalcornucopia.com/

Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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9/11 style terrorism was solved by reinforcing the cockpit doors. Everything else has been police state fear mongering.

It was solved as soon as ordinary passengers realized that hijackers didn't want hostages anymore. The cockpit door thing is security theatre too.

There was 1 coordinated attack where the hijackers did not want hostages. If I am a passenger on a hijacked plane, my guess would be that they are in it for the ransom.

Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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The author's terrorism concerns are way overblown and the reasoning supporting them specious, but there is a more basic issue with hypersonic point-to-point transportation systems outside of the additional arguments related to current air travel, at least for vehicles designed to go suborbital/exoatmospheric: Once we are talking about traveling to a destination and not simply going "straight" up and down, the costs,…

I don't think Stross is actually saying that such terrorist attacks are feasible or likely - just that the culture of TSA and the slightest possibility of such acts will make inevitable the kind of security theater that's driving the wealthy away from regular first-class.

Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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I'm guessing the author is employing reverse psychology here? This article reads like an annoying lost of hyper-cynical arguments against hypersonic travel that any ambitious person would be eager to prove wrong. Sort of like the "we will never have small touchscreen-based mobile devices with the computing power of a desktop computer" argument I used to hear from extremely smart and experienced telecom execs around the time of the first iPhone rumors.

Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was solved as soon as ordinary passengers realized that hijackers didn't want hostages anymore. The cockpit door thing is security theatre too.

There was 1 coordinated attack where the hijackers did not want hostages. If I am a passenger on a hijacked plane, my guess would be that they are in it for the ransom.

Then you are the problem. From now on airline passengers must simply assume that all terrorists are suicide bombers and act accordingly, fighting back with all available means; thus will we ensure that airline hijackings remain unviable.

Re: Why we're not going to see sub-orbital airliners

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was 1 coordinated attack where the hijackers did not want hostages. If I am a passenger on a hijacked plane, my guess would be that they are in it for the ransom.

Then you are the problem. From now on airline passengers must simply assume that all terrorists are suicide bombers and act accordingly, fighting back with all available means; thus will we ensure that airline hijackings remain unviable.

Having a self destruct feature that automatically engages when an airplane is hijacked would also make make hijackings unviable.

If you respond as if the hijackers are suicide bombers, when they really only want a ransom, then you risk some or all of the hostages getting injured or dyeing, as well as the potential for the plane, which would otherwise have landed safely, to crash into a populated area as the hijackers are distracted from piloting the plane, or the passenger may decide to be heroes and take over (crashing either deliberately or by accident).

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