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React always feels to me to big a huge compromise between a nice statefree dataflow solution for UIs and "getting Javascripters en masse to actually use the damn thing". The entire existence of the state API is a highly visible example of this. It reminds me a lot of Gabriel's divide between the New Jersey approach versus the MIT approach---React is far more viral in its current form, but better technology certain li…
If you only care about animation, why not just use a constraint solver like a physics engine? Time step is set st run-time, constraints are quite natural (springs to pull something in). Constraint programming provides the declarative data binding feel of FRP behaviors (someone on my committee pointed that out). What you don't get with constraint systems are event streams, but that isn't so useful for UI programming a…
Don't break the web with your presentation framework. Since you do, I cannot take anything you say about web development seriously.
I had to read your comment to understand that there was more content than the title. Indeed I wish people would stop breaking the web is all the myriad ways that they do.
Presentation author here. I should have taken this down before it popped up on HN or elsewhere. The video of this presentation is worth watching, because it's tongue-in-cheek through-out. But the slides are not worth reading, otherwise people take it seriously like it's happening here now. Cycle isn't the solution to everything, it's just one guy's ongoing experiment.
I like the idea of reactive programming, but it tends to add a lot of indirection. This is theoretically desirable, but not necessarily pragmatic in reality. A lot of frontend code in the wild is of the throw-away-in-a-few-years nature and it's hard to get mindshare among developers if they're required to learn stuff that feels academic when all they really care about is getting stuff shipped the next day. Being able (forced?) to tightly couple a controller and a view in Angular is one reason a lot of people like it.
I was giving a workshop on FP recently, and you'd be surprised at the number of people who still don't grok `filter`. FRP is still way over a lot of people's heads. Hopefully the industry will warm up more to the concept as React, Mithril, Meteor, etc get more popular.
@staltz WRT Cycle.js itself:
I took a look at the TodoMVC example and was surprised to see intents reading data from DOM element data attributes (e.g. https://github.com/staltz/todomvc-cycle/blob/master/js/inten... ). How does one go about doing non-string parameterized intents? For example, I often need to reference an entity from an event handler and searching for it in a collection by ID seems wasteful. In Mithril, for example, handlers can receive parameters as inputs either via closures from the view or via partial application (i.e. Function::bind). This is especially useful for event handlers that deal with relationships between two or more different entities. Is there a similar mechanism in Cycle.js?
He implies that Grunt is dead on the first slide. Well don't I feel stupid since I still use it. I guess it's not cool anymore? I missed the memo. Wait, maybe I'm not cool? What do the cool kids use now instead of Grunt?
Seriously, is no one using Grunt? I know there was a backlash at all the Grunt like tools that came out at the time, but I assumed it was still useful and regularly in use / updated.
I have been programming for 30 years, 19 on the Web. I tried to learn Angular and Ember and failed, more than once. Earlier this year I had to prototype a fairly complex single page app and was severely time constrained. I tried React and succeeded beyond both my expectations and those of the client. I am in fact itching for a chance to use it again.
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Om is built on top of React. I'm not sure how you reconcile "React sucks" with "Om is the future" given that.
> I'm not sure how you reconcile "React sucks" with "Om is the future" given that. Maybe it fixes all the sucky parts?
I have been programming for 30 years, 19 on the Web. I tried to learn Angular and Ember and failed, more than once. Earlier this year I had to prototype a fairly complex single page app and was severely time constrained. I tried React and succeeded beyond both my expectations and those of the client. I am in fact itching for a chance to use it again.
He implies that Grunt is dead on the first slide. Well don't I feel stupid since I still use it. I guess it's not cool anymore? I missed the memo. Wait, maybe I'm not cool? What do the cool kids use now instead of Grunt?
Seriously, is no one using Grunt? I know there was a backlash at all the Grunt like tools that came out at the time, but I assumed it was still useful and regularly in use / updated.
Grunt: 812,465
Gulp: 448,694