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UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by kmowery »

pilif wrote: post #61
atmosx wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I answer my mobile from my iMac regularly without issues. I don't have the 'continuity' feature due to Apple's choice to block old iMacs (mine is a late-08 model), other than that, it's a bit slower at app-launching but I didn't had any major issues.

>due to Apple's choice to block old iMacs this wasn't a choice of blocking older Macs. The fact is that continuity requires Bluetooth LE (or you would be complaining about greatly reduced phone battery life) and your old iMac doesn't have BT-LE capable hardware (BT-LE and BT only share the name - aside of that they are quite disimilar)

It's a little less clear than that, unfortunately. Apple chose to not support third-party Bluetooth LE dongles, which might be a reasonable engineering limitation. However, if you upgrade your Mac with a BT-LE capable board used by other Continuity-capable Macs, you still can't use Continuity by default; you need to patch some kexts and disable kernel kext signing[1].

It really does feel like Apple blacklisted older machines from using Continuity; only third-party kext hacking can get things started again.

[1] https://github.com/dokterdok/Continuity-Activation-Tool/

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by pervycreeper »

grandalf wrote: post #41
blkhp19 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even understand who they're competing with by doing yearly updates. It's probably a big scramble to get features released and for what? To beat Windows 8? To beat linux? They don't have any threats when it comes to desktop operating systems, so they should slow down and make some quality updates.

It keeps the size of each update much smaller and less error-prone. Each update contains a few significant changes and lots of minor ones. It's a good strategy for a variety of reasons: - it lets the OS theming feel fresh on a regular basis - it lets apple break/disable bad apps that have entered the ecosystem - it keeps all the OSS binaries more in sync with the fast-paced OSS world. - it lets the actual periodic se…

>it lets the OS theming feel fresh on a regular basis

I doubt they will be making significant changes every year. 2014 was the exception

>it keeps all the OSS binaries more in sync with the fast-paced OSS world

Too many key utilities are extremely outdated due to GPL3. Apple also seems to be moving away from free software wherever it can

>Each release contains the byproduct of massive amounts of research/data.

They seem to be letting the consumers do a lot of the testing (with the open beta for instance). Many features seem half baked, conceptually, and in execution.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by gcb0 »

blkhp19 wrote: post #19
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

Answering calls on my Mac is one of my favorite new features. When it works, it works well. When it doesn't work, it fails upfront. You really have to play with your icloud and FaceTime settings to trick it into working. It's absurd how complicated the whole relationship between iCloud, FaceTime, iMessages, and my devices is. The settings need to be perfect for things to work correctly. I can't even imagine if it was…

buy a phone from Motorola. the pc phone integration for that is pretty good. and been there for ages

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by mindajar »

conradev wrote: post #8

Even with "Reduce Transparency" enabled (blur disabled) I've had times when Mission Control operates at 2 frames per second on my 13" 2013 rMBP. This never happened using Mavericks. If you try full screen zoom on Yosemite with an external display attached, it's similarly unusable.

Yeah, regardless of transparency settings, WindowServer seems to get really slow after it's been running for awhile (days? hours? it depends.) Restarting the login session or doing a full reboot seems to fix it ... for a little while.

Performance goes downhill faster for me with an external display connected.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by cmelbye »

kyriakos wrote: post #48
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

Sorry for the ignorance, Windows user here. Can't you somehow downgrade?

Old versions of OS X that you've previously downloaded are always available for re-download in the Mac App Store. You can use those downloads to downgrade.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by gcb0 »

tolmasky wrote: post #12
lucisferre wrote: post #9

Yosemite has been a major regression in almost every respect, I actually regret upgrading. Aside from the obvious and major performance and stability issues the major features are just plain broken. For example, try answering your phone from your computer. It takes way too long to actually pick up the call from the phone and then when you try to answer it bugs up so that in the end you can never actually answer the c…

The phone thing was infuriating. After upgrading all of a sudden every device I own would start ringing like crazy: phone, computer, Apple TV STOPS airplay because the iPad streaming to it was also buzzing like mad. I KNOW I KNOW, you can turn it off, but I hate the fact that upgrading my OS has now become "turn off the 10 gimmick features so you can get back to some level of sanity", especially because after I pick…

not to mention that until you realize it, your maid can answer calls to your cell phone from the tv

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by tdicola »

Have been holding off on upgrading to Yosemite until the dust settles. I find it funny that I'm not even getting nagged at all to upgrade (unlike on iOS where I was getting nagged constantly to upgrade to iOS 8). It's almost like Apple themselves aren't even confident enough in Yosemite to be usable right now.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by cmelbye »

mahyarm wrote: post #54
lunixbochs wrote: post #27

I feel like the entire compositor has a performance regression. This includes dragging windows, and seems to have nothing to do with transparency. When running OS X virtualized inside VMWare Fusion (which does not have hardware accelerated video drivers for the guest), Mavericks was very usable. Yosemite dropped to 2fps (measured using Quartz Debug tools). I had to use Quartz Debug (available in the Graphics Debug To…

I think a big part of it is the glass blur effect that they put on everything with yosemite. I also feel that since iOS 7 that stability and quality has gone down a lot, or they got too ambitious with the glass blur effect.

Have you used iOS 7.1+ on an iPhone 5/5S or better? I haven't noticed any performance issues since iOS 7.0. I think they've optimized the hell out of the blur effect at this point.

Bugs and generally poor software quality, however? Yes.

Re: UI Performance Decline – OS X Tiger to Yosemite [video]

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Post by Yoshino »

I do agree that Yosemite has had some performance regressions, but people seem to remember the older operating systems with rose colored glasses. I used 10.3 to 10.5 on the 2005 PowerBook G4 (1.67 GHz) and it was incredibly slow. Spotlight was nearly useless. The fans would frequently spin up. And let's not talk about Finder locking up when a network mount disappeared. Right now I use 10.10 on the original 2012 Retina MBP, and even though Yosemite is a bit slower than Mavericks it is still leagues faster than (Mountain) Lion on the same machine (which is what it shipped with). The biggest performance regressions I've seen have been in Safari, but Chrome doesn't seem to have the same problems.

I think they are paying attention, since 10.10 performance has improved considerably since the first DP, but they need to do more. I wish they would stop fucking with it on a yearly cycle and just release a stable, fast operating system with no new features. The graphics system needs more optimization and they need to kill HFS+ (but that's a whole different can of worms).

(Edits: wording)

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