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Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by pyre »

tedunangst wrote: post #57
doki_pen wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't resist. I'm a freetard and here is my proposal: * Artists(haha, really? is Spears and "artist"?) perform live to earn income I know... it's earth shattering. If people don't think it's worth the trouble of recording, then they shouldn't do it. See how many people come to your live performance without the free advertising that recordings provide. Oh, maybe they won't make hundreds of millions of dollars. Shoul…

How about authors? How much money have you spent, lifetime, to hear an author read his books to you?

Books are horrible about copyright. There are many books tied up in copyright that are completely out of print, and if I wanted to buy a copy I would have to buy a used copy at an exorbitant price (due to scarcity).

At this point the author (or the publisher) is seeing NO money. Is there a real reason why I can't just take a copy of the book, put it to PDF and distribute it for free? The people that were involved in the production of the book have essentially abandoned it, but they will definitely jump out of the woodwork to try and cash in on it if someone were to 'make it profitable again' (which includes suing a person for distributing it).

I see these as the moral equivalent of submarine patents. (Patents where you wait until something becomes popular, and then pop out of the woodwork to sue the biggest companies that you can find for millions or billions of dollars)

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by callahad »

boredguy8 wrote: post #60
Keyframe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By us, people who steal stuff?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I think it was downvoted for its tone -- it's very easy to interpret as name-calling.

There is a rational basis for opposing copyright controls without simultaneously supporting piracy, but sadly, most people seem to advocate from the latter camp.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by SwellJoe »

boredguy8 wrote: post #60
Keyframe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By us, people who steal stuff?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

Sorry, but k5 was never in that chain. reddit, perhaps, is/was the next step after Slashdot.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by stumm »

doki_pen wrote: post #46
Quarrelsome wrote: post #22

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I think it would more apt if both sides go to jail, neither is the answer to the future of artistic works. On one side a bunch of cartels that IMO should be investigated by the monopolies and mergers commission and on the other freetards that don't provide a realistic revenue model for artists.

I can't resist. I'm a freetard and here is my proposal: * Artists(haha, really? is Spears and "artist"?) perform live to earn income I know... it's earth shattering. If people don't think it's worth the trouble of recording, then they shouldn't do it. See how many people come to your live performance without the free advertising that recordings provide. Oh, maybe they won't make hundreds of millions of dollars. Shoul…

>> Oh, maybe they won't make hundreds of millions of dollars. Should I give up my rights so "recording artists" can be filthy rich?

It's a fallacy that most recording artists are "filthy rich", not mention how much they make is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. What "right" are you giving up?

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by LogicHoleFlaw »

tedunangst wrote: post #57
doki_pen wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't resist. I'm a freetard and here is my proposal: * Artists(haha, really? is Spears and "artist"?) perform live to earn income I know... it's earth shattering. If people don't think it's worth the trouble of recording, then they shouldn't do it. See how many people come to your live performance without the free advertising that recordings provide. Oh, maybe they won't make hundreds of millions of dollars. Shoul…

How about authors? How much money have you spent, lifetime, to hear an author read his books to you?

I just go to the library.

(Interlibrary Loan is awesome.)

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by narag »

boredguy8 wrote: post #60
Keyframe wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By us, people who steal stuff?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted.

Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word.

This debate is not going away, because that's the politics of our time. So please, at least let's keep it a little more intelligent than that.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by bullseye »

jrockway wrote: post #52
callahad wrote: post #26

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The tactics involved in "defending" copyright do more to inconvenience legitimate consumers than pirates.

Indeed. I would not mind paying for movies, but the studios won't let me. My computer runs the wrong operating system, my HDMI cable is not the right kind, the movie isn't for sale in my country, etc., etc. OK fine, I will just download it instead. All that anti-piracy protection gave me no option but to pirate the movie. Oh, the irony. (I could "just do without", but why should I suffer for the studio's mistakes?)

I think this argument is disingenuous. We as consumers do not have any "right" to copyrighted content. If you can't watch a movie because of some distribution problem, so what? It's their loss because they've alienated a purchaser, but it still doesn't mean you are entitled to it.

I am very against DRM on content I have purchased, and I've admittedly "sampled" music that I may or may not have purchased later. But I've never violated digital rights because I felt like I had some sort of privilege to do so. I would love to see an overhaul of the industry, but until we do, we can play by their rules, or at least be genuine about it when we don’t.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by jpwagner »

narag wrote: post #76
boredguy8 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. I want my "original hacker's news" back. What's next in the /. -> k5 -> hn chain?

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

dude, this debate is not "going away" because it's grey.

abortion at 8 months 29 days is undoubtedly murder. abortion at 8 months 28 days is undoubtedly murder. Now work backwards, when is it no longer murder?

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by narag »

jpwagner wrote: post #78
narag wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't get why this is so heavily down voted. Because it's a lie? "Piracy" isn't theft. Abortion isn't murder. You can argue that they're wrong, but this kind of misrepresentation is the lowest possible way of discusion. In fact it's an admission that people doesn't look at copyright infringement as wrong, so it must be tagged with a stronger word. This debate is not going away, because that's the politics…

dude, this debate is not "going away" because it's grey. abortion at 8 months 29 days is undoubtedly murder. abortion at 8 months 28 days is undoubtedly murder. Now work backwards, when is it no longer murder?

I don't know US laws, but in my country they're separate crimes. So "undoubtedly"? Really? Try convincing a court.

As for the debate being "grey", of course. That's my point. "Piracy is theft" is black and white. And wrong.

Re: Piratebay strikes back

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Post by wvenable »

bullseye wrote: post #77
jrockway wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. I would not mind paying for movies, but the studios won't let me. My computer runs the wrong operating system, my HDMI cable is not the right kind, the movie isn't for sale in my country, etc., etc. OK fine, I will just download it instead. All that anti-piracy protection gave me no option but to pirate the movie. Oh, the irony. (I could "just do without", but why should I suffer for the studio's mistakes?)

I think this argument is disingenuous. We as consumers do not have any "right" to copyrighted content. If you can't watch a movie because of some distribution problem, so what? It's their loss because they've alienated a purchaser, but it still doesn't mean you are entitled to it. I am very against DRM on content I have purchased, and I've admittedly "sampled" music that I may or may not have purchased later. But I'v…

Copyright is a compromise between the general public and the creators of the material. It's a construct that exists to promote the creation and distribution of works.

If you can't watch a movie, what does that serve? The public is clearly not getting anything. And the creator isn't getting anything either. Everybody loses. This isn't the same as simply not being able to pay either.

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