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Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by patja »

leoedin wrote: post #38
Ecio78 wrote: post #8

Important info: Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community? A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community: Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps. Here’s how Visual Studio Community can be used in organizations: An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learni…

The 250 users / $1 million revenue thing is a bit weird. Any tech company with more than 10 employees probably has upwards of $1 million/year in revenue. The salary bill alone will be pushing that quite quickly. There seems to be a huge disparity between 250 PCs and $1 million annual revenue. If you had 250 PCs with less than $1 million annual revenue you'd be paying each employee less than $4000 a year.

I suspect there are a number of businesses successfully using Express today who are going to have to pay up for MSDN / Professional licenses, assuming Express goes away.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by patja »

beagle3 wrote: post #62
leoedin wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 250 users / $1 million revenue thing is a bit weird. Any tech company with more than 10 employees probably has upwards of $1 million/year in revenue. The salary bill alone will be pushing that quite quickly. There seems to be a huge disparity between 250 PCs and $1 million annual revenue. If you had 250 PCs with less than $1 million annual revenue you'd be paying each employee less than $4000 a year.

There are startups with 5-50 employees that have no revenue. I think the $1 million covers "established business", and 250 PCs covers "really well funded startup".

250 PCs also covers lots of businesses who have 250 knowledge workers who do not do development, and one or two developers supporting them.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by gregd »

I have often wondered why Microsoft wouldn't just release all versions of VS for free. VS is arguably the go-to tool for developing on the other paid Microsoft products (SQL Server, Azure), so it makes sense that this would attract MORE people to those paid offerings..

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by patja »

pjmlp wrote: post #25
pherocity_ wrote: post #9

How is this different from Express versions?

Besides what is referred in sibling posts: - DirectX debugging tools, including GPGPU - Parallel code debugging - MFC and ATL for those that still need to support such type of applications - 64 bit compilers - DDK integration - Sharepoint integration

"Debug / Attach to process" is another really significant feature that Community Edition has that was omitted from Express

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by dragonwriter »

elboru wrote: post #65
bovermyer wrote: post #42

A lot of people seem to think that steps like this are just Microsoft catching up. Which, I suppose, they are. But there's something else here too - this kind of thing, where Microsoft is opening up to the open source community, releasing more free tools, releasing more open source projects, all started happening when Satya Nadella took the reins. I think what we're looking at is a CEO that gets it and is trying to m…

Staya Nadella might be accelerating things, but Microsoft has been moving through this direction before Staya's arrival (ASP.NET MVC was open sourced in April 2009), actually I see Staya Nadella taking reins as another step Microsoft took to be more open.

> Staya Nadella might be accelerating things, but Microsoft has been moving through this direction before Staya's arrival (ASP.NET MVC was open sourced in April 2009),

Satya Nadella has been a Microsoft exec since 2007, so events in 2009 are not before his arrival, and he was credited for being instrumental in driving this kind of transition in focus before becoming CEO.

> actually I see Staya Nadella taking reins as another step Microsoft took to be more open.

Sure, it was a vote to double down on the things Nadella was driving as a key leader before becoming CEO.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by gregd »

rl3 wrote: post #59

This is a surprising move, won't it result in a large drop in their MSDN subscriber base? I may be wrong here, but as far as I can tell, the only reason to maintain an MSDN subscription for the purposes of Visual Studio (assuming you're eligible to use Visual Studio Community 2013) is if you want the features in editions beyond Professional, you want to be on the bleeding edge, or you want the peripheral perks of sub…

"Most early stage startups will no longer have to jump through hoops trying to get into BizSpark, nor prematurely start the clock ticking on that until they're ready.

One of my major peeves with BizSpark has been the requirement that your company's public-facing site be more than just a "Coming Soon" page. "

I found BizSpark's barrier to entry, practically zero. I applied online and got accepted within hours. I just graduated last month. I never got bothered by Microsoft during the whole membership and exiting was pain free. My experience with the program has been wholly different than yours.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by Encosia »

rikkus wrote: post #10
mateuszf wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VirtualBox, but you will still need to buy Windows with license.

Or wait for Windows 10 when it'll be free for personal users.

The Windows 10 preview that's out right now works well enough for casual use today. I've been running it on my laptop since it was available and have had a few minor issues, but haven't had any real trouble using it as my primary machine outside the office.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by blueatlas »

Ecio78 wrote: post #8

Important info: Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community? A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community: Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps. Here’s how Visual Studio Community can be used in organizations: An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learni…

It's not clear to me how this applies to agencies/development shops. Say small agency (< 10 developers) writing apps for their clients, some of which are enterprises.

Re: Get Visual Studio Community 2013 for Free

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Post by tempodox »

bovermyer wrote: post #42

A lot of people seem to think that steps like this are just Microsoft catching up. Which, I suppose, they are. But there's something else here too - this kind of thing, where Microsoft is opening up to the open source community, releasing more free tools, releasing more open source projects, all started happening when Satya Nadella took the reins. I think what we're looking at is a CEO that gets it and is trying to m…

Agreed. I'm still far from being a fan, but it's definitely a move in the right direction.
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