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The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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I'm surprised nobody has yet mentioned Project Orion[1] which involved using atomic bombs to propel a spacecraft.

Seems a little hare-brained to me, but they took it pretty seriously back then. Of course, it was all just theoretical, which might be the reason nobody brought it up in this discussion.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_%28nuclear_propul...

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.

Honestly, I'd rather deal with nuclear waste than I would what we're currently doing to our environment.

A modest proposal would be to slowly depopulate Micronesia and store all our radioactive waste there (we already tested nukes there once anyway). It's either that or let the ocean reclaim the islands over the next 100 years. So we might as well get some cheap energy out of the deal.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Unfortunately the mere mention of "Nuclear" is a trigger word for most people, which is a tragedy considering that due to all the mistakes that were made in the past we have started to (finally) move to safer ways of using Nuclear Power. If we were realists about Nuclear energy like other forms of energy, we should have been entering a golden age of Nuclear right about now.

"NMR" machines and now called "MRI" machines...

(Not entirely sure if that's because people with serious illness are scared of the work "nuclear", or if it's because the President couldn't pronounce it...)

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Unfortunately the mere mention of "Nuclear" is a trigger word for most people, which is a tragedy considering that due to all the mistakes that were made in the past we have started to (finally) move to safer ways of using Nuclear Power. If we were realists about Nuclear energy like other forms of energy, we should have been entering a golden age of Nuclear right about now.

A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.

For modern fast reactors it really is. Nuclear waste paranoia is one of the main things that holds back feasible cheap green energy in the modern world.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Other way around. We had the Trinity test, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, and then we set off the rest. Unless you meant "preparations" for killing more people with our nuclear weapons, in which case you may be correct.

(It's completely obvious that's what he meant.)

The latter tests arguably weren't performed to improve the killing capabilities of the bombs but rather to understand the physics and physiological impacts of bomb blasts. Given that it's possible (albeit unlikely) we never see a nuclear weapon used in war again I don't see it as being completely obvious.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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post #73

Unfortunately the mere mention of "Nuclear" is a trigger word for most people, which is a tragedy considering that due to all the mistakes that were made in the past we have started to (finally) move to safer ways of using Nuclear Power. If we were realists about Nuclear energy like other forms of energy, we should have been entering a golden age of Nuclear right about now.

"NMR" machines and now called "MRI" machines... (Not entirely sure if that's because people with serious illness are scared of the work "nuclear", or if it's because the President couldn't pronounce it...)

You mean Jimmy Carter, Lyndon Johnson, or Dwight Eisenhower?

It's especially weird in Carter's case since he was supposedly a trained nuclear engineer.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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> "no radioactivity above background levels was detected at the surface of the ground during post-shot surveys."

the wording on that makes me very suspicious of what was found "under surface of the ground" after they resumed drilling the gas/oil...

Edit: yep. apparently this is Public Relations Speak. The wikipedia for the US plowshare tests do mention that all gas they extracted after using nukes to open way had very high levels of radiation and they could only be used in a few industrial places.

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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... as well as once in 1968, twice in 1972, and once in 1981. 0.o The USSR had a whole program to investigate peaceful nuclear explosions (PNEs), called Nuclear Explosions for the National Economy. [1] Sadly, some of these experiments went rather wrong, unexpectedly releasing lots of radioactive nasty near populated areas. The US also did this sort of thing from 1961 to 1973, and the program was cancelled in '77. [2]…

Here's a timelapse of every nuclear explosion since 1945. It really puts into perspective just how many nukes have gone off for purposes other than to kill people. It's amazing that only two were used for violence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLCF7vPanrY According to the video, people have detonated 2053 nukes, and America has the dubious distinction of having detonated over 1000.

i wonder if the US tests being all in the west and pacific had anything to do with everyone in project Manhattan being in, well, Manhattan

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A golden age of nuclear waste? It's not a silver bullet.

For modern fast reactors it really is. Nuclear waste paranoia is one of the main things that holds back feasible cheap green energy in the modern world.

It's not paranoia. There are legitimate concerns about storing nuclear waste. It's not perfect and it is expensive. Wouldn't it be better to be able to skip past these problems onto something without those drawbacks?

Re: The USSR used a nuclear charge to stop a gas well fire in 1966

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My "favorite" Soviet use of nuclear explosions was for deep seismic exploration: http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=deep+seismic+sounding+wi...

I can't find any reliable sources, so treat this as my own speculation. I heard that there were programs for a while in two big countries with acronyms starting with US that aimed into exploration of causing earthquakes/tsunamis that would hit across the word by using multiple underground nukes and constructive interference.

I would suspect this was more for propaganda effect -- local populations would understand better a threat if it was related to something devastating they actually had experience off.
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