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The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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There is a potential here for there to be a change similar to the 18th century. Suddenly, non-governmental forces or fledgling governments can quickly equip a lightly armed force. For the last 1-2 centuries you needed a manufacturing infrastructure under your control, but a 3-D printer device like this (if I am understanding the article correctly, and perhaps I am not).

In the 18th century, relatively low-cost and reliable rifles became available, and this fundamentally changed the balance between established governments and small armed groups. This changed contributed to the American Revolution, the French Revolution, and the downfall of the Mughal Empire (where small regional rebellions suddenly became more viable and central control began to break down).

This period eventually ended in the 19th century, when is debatable, but once you had a gatling gun, a professional heavily armed force could mow down lightly armed forces without large casualties.

Chances are this development will be the final word (and certainly it has not had a huge impact yet, so maybe my speculation is premature), eventually there will become some expensive but exceptionally effective weapon only large governments can afford or supply, but 3-D printers making guns could have serious effects on the course of politics and warfare within the next few decades.

As the old curse goes, may you live in interesting times...

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

So, the two groups actually pointed out by the parent post were "gun owners" and "people who don't understand guns"--we can infer the existence of "gun non-owners" and "people who understand guns". So, don't go putting words in their mouth.

That said, yeah, many gun owners don't really understand guns in the technical sense, and have very silly biases (consumer preferences, really) about what is a valid arm to possess. A lot of older hunters I've met, for example, get grumpy if they see you with any rifle that isn't a bolt-action.

I tentatively disagree with the problem of personal safety being solved in those other countries: you've stuck with the metric of "murdered", whereas there are additional ones still of note to the average citizen such as "assaulted" and "robbed". Also, we can trot out the tired refrains about diversity and whatnot and argue that those populations don't map onto ours, but let's save space.

I might agree that the firearms are not a good solution to the problem of personal safety, but they are a solution and one that has worked. I think that the problem that they help prevent is creating an irreversible monopoly in force and ensuing tyranny, which is what happens once you disarm your populace. As a veteran, surely you appreciate that.

EDIT: Changed qualifier on "one that has worked well" to "one that has worked"...don't want to blow my reply quota picking nits on the difference between "well" and "good".

Also, forgot to mention: parent's point about letting people who don't understand something regulate it is correct--if you can't even articulate the different sorts of firearms and differences thereof, why should you be allowed to restrict anyone's access to them? It's just as annoying as legislation about computer stuff.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

#73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that

...there isn't a substantial problem therewith. Not zero, of course, but by your line of reasoning cars should be outlawed immediately because of the actual accidental & unintentional harm rates therewith ... and the same issue with guns being orders of magnitude less.

The problem isn't accidental casualties (those are in fact quite rare). The problem is people willing to cause grave harm to others, a group which does not include a vast number of people who are not willing to cause grave harm to others save for stopping the former from doing so - but whom you are quick to lump together. Break down US murder rates, and you'll find the bulk of the problem firmly within certain subgroups; disarming other US subgroups (as you advocate) won't solve the problem, as up-arming those groups has decreased murder rates in their areas.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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post #70

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And to underscore how a usable rifle may be constructed with readily available parts, I present a personal favorite, the AK-47 built from a receiver recycled from a shovel: http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DI...

I will admit that I rather wish I had the skills and knowledge necessary to do something like that. Amazing.

Easily acquired. Your new hobby awaits you.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

#77

I believe that there are laws in place from making the barrel at home. You can make a gun with a lot of the 3d printers as well.

There aren't. It's a long piece of hardened steel with a hole drilled in it and a groove added thereto. No laws prohibit such manufacturing (assuming USA, I haven't so extensively studied such laws of other countries).

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

#78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

Guns save more lives than they take; prevent more injuries than they inflict:

https://www.gunowners.org/sk0802htm.htm

Articles, anecdotes and statistics:

https://www.google.com/?q=guns+save+lives

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

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It's not an "AR-15 lower receiver maker". It's a cheap CNC mill you can do an infinite number of useful things with. Should high quality printers be illegal because you can make counterfeit bills with it? Or is the potential for harm an incidental part of any useful device? You can stab someone with a knife, but they're pretty handy for chopping food, too.

It is illegal to sell high quality printers that print currency, or at least sufficient pressure has been applied to printer makers so that their printers refuse to print currency. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/projects/currency/

I'm pretty sure that it's a matter of "sufficient pressure" and not legislation in this case, at least in most jurisdictions.

Re: The $1,200 Machine That Lets Anyone Make a Metal Gun at Home

#80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why gun owners get nervous when people who don't understand firearms try to legislate their ownership.

Your comment implies that there are two classes of people, "gun owners who understand firearms" and "non-gun owners who do not understand firearms". A casual glance at the deplorable accidental and unintentional discharge rates in the US statistics should make it immediately clear that gun ownership and understanding firearms have absolutely nothing to do with each other. I say this as a non-gun-owner who was taught…

SCOTUS reaffirmed the ruling in 2013 that police are NOT required to protect. So, whom do you want to take responsibility for your safety and security?

I know what I want if I have to take care of my safety and security. It's the same weapons the police carry.

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