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Re: Google Classroom

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Post by gerbal »

jrells wrote: post #46

As much as I would love for educational institutions (and government in general) to fund open source projects to solve their needs, that doesn't seem very realistic right now. Maybe when startup culture becomes the norm. The people who make decisions about technology purchases in education are, in my experience, non-technical and highly risk averse. They pay absurd prices for outdated software. There is little pressu…

The problem with open source software in academia and education is the price. The cost of hiring a developer to maintain and support a piece of software is more often than not far more than the cost of a software license from a company that provides decent quality support and customer service.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by gerbal »

raldi wrote: post #44
jestinjoy1 wrote: post #38

What I dislike about Google Classroom is students need institution email address for logging in.

Why does that bother you?

It costs more and introduces additional complexity. It would be far useful to allow any arbitrary Google Account to join any arbitrary classroom, and trust that Teachers can do a decent job figuring out who is in their classes.

Re: Google Classroom

#73

Post by icantthinkofone »

scourge wrote: post #57
ceras wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of that sequence happening (other than Google Reader)?

google voice. google browser sync. google send to phone. google wave. then there's a list of things that are STILL around but have stifled competition anyways: gmail (hopefully people might get behind mailpile but i doubt it), gtalk (again, we have to wait another decade at least before a sensible IM standard is used), G+ (how many in the tech community have moved from one company (facebook) to another (google Plus).…

Google Voice is still around. Browser sync is built in. Send to phone, I don't recall what that was. Wave is built into the browser, too, iirc.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by praxulus »

scourge wrote: post #57
ceras wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of that sequence happening (other than Google Reader)?

google voice. google browser sync. google send to phone. google wave. then there's a list of things that are STILL around but have stifled competition anyways: gmail (hopefully people might get behind mailpile but i doubt it), gtalk (again, we have to wait another decade at least before a sensible IM standard is used), G+ (how many in the tech community have moved from one company (facebook) to another (google Plus).…

Except for wave, all those things are still around aren't they? Send to phone got rolled into browser sync, but the functionality is still there.

Re: Google Classroom

#75

Post by GeneralMayhem »

Balgair wrote: post #61
sagischwarz wrote: post #14

I think the public educational IT system should not be outsourced to the private sector, where schools completely lose control of the data and depend more or less on the good will of the company. University courses should not be organized by Facebook and pupils should not be forced to use IT systems of non-trustworthy companies like Google, which earn money by profiling their customers. Maybe my view is too German, b…

Not a lawyer, but the Google privacy policy does seem very nice to the student here: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/#nosharing This is to contrast it with the privacy policy of other systems like Canvas: http://www.canvaslms.com/policies/privacy-policy Selected out of context quote from the Terms of Use: "You warrant that the holder of any worldwide intellectual property right, including MORAL rights, in Your…

That sounds like a pretty standard and necessary clause; it's not assigning "moral" right to Google, it's asserting that you have the right to be controlling the content's licensing in the first place.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by Balgair »

GeneralMayhem wrote: post #75
Balgair wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a lawyer, but the Google privacy policy does seem very nice to the student here: http://www.google.com/policies/privacy/#nosharing This is to contrast it with the privacy policy of other systems like Canvas: http://www.canvaslms.com/policies/privacy-policy Selected out of context quote from the Terms of Use: "You warrant that the holder of any worldwide intellectual property right, including MORAL rights, in Your…

That sounds like a pretty standard and necessary clause; it's not assigning "moral" right to Google, it's asserting that you have the right to be controlling the content's licensing in the first place.

It wasn't to Google, it was to another company: Canvas. Also, what the hell is a moral right anyway? How is it different than any other? It just seems really scammy to me.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by judk »

nacho2sweet wrote: post #55
sagischwarz wrote: post #14

I think the public educational IT system should not be outsourced to the private sector, where schools completely lose control of the data and depend more or less on the good will of the company. University courses should not be organized by Facebook and pupils should not be forced to use IT systems of non-trustworthy companies like Google, which earn money by profiling their customers. Maybe my view is too German, b…

I work in IT at a major Canadian University. I hear what you are saying, but the solutions provided by universities IT departments are usually sub-par to completely not useful. There have been attempts in the past to partner with other schools and develop solutions jointly but are often cost over run disasters. It is really hard to attract any top development talent, or even try and convince current employees to stay…

Google Classroom runs on a huge Java stack.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by GeneralMayhem »

scourge wrote: post #57
ceras wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have an example of that sequence happening (other than Google Reader)?

google voice. google browser sync. google send to phone. google wave. then there's a list of things that are STILL around but have stifled competition anyways: gmail (hopefully people might get behind mailpile but i doubt it), gtalk (again, we have to wait another decade at least before a sensible IM standard is used), G+ (how many in the tech community have moved from one company (facebook) to another (google Plus).…

>gmail

How does this stifle competition? If people use Gmail, it's because they think it's better than the alternatives. There aren't even network effects in play, since it's just email.

>gtalk

...is now called Hangouts, and is a flagship product.

>G+ (how many in the tech community have moved from one company (facebook) to another (google Plus)

Um... not me, for one, and certainly not for non-professional contacts. G+ is a ghost town.

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by judk »

Balgair wrote: post #76
GeneralMayhem wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds like a pretty standard and necessary clause; it's not assigning "moral" right to Google, it's asserting that you have the right to be controlling the content's licensing in the first place.

It wasn't to Google, it was to another company: Canvas. Also, what the hell is a moral right anyway? How is it different than any other? It just seems really scammy to me.

Look it up and post back. It's not a weird scam, it is standard copyright law regarding who can claim authorship of content.

The section you quoted just means that the user is promising not to post pirated content to Canvas

Re: Google Classroom

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Post by cromwellian »

freshflowers wrote: post #60

10 years ago, people would have welcomed this. Today, the brand Google is a red flag for any school that cares about their reputation and any parent who cares about their child's privacy. It's utterly unsellable unless Google follows the old "evil" Microsoft route and simply bribes schools. And even that won't be enough to counter the shit storm that will hit any school that delivers the privacy of it's students into…

The reality of Google's brand image is different.

Schools don't buy software based on privacy and the privacy policies of much of the software being used by schools is often worse.

Maybe it won't sell in EU, but you don't need the EU to run a successful profitable business.

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