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The typical black American is 85%+ genetically "African". A tiny slice of people misreporting race wouldn't impact things much. And I don't follow your premise that inherent differences wouldn't be quantitatively consistent. That's how it is with all the other measurable differences between races.
People that are 3/4 "European" and 1/4 "African" and people that are 1/4 "European" and 3/4 "African" score the same on standardized tests. But, they don't have the same skin color / shade. If there was a genetic based IQ difference you would expect the same shift as you see in skin color. But, that's not what happens, thus it's probably not a genetic trait.
Statistically that's not true. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
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People that are 3/4 "European" and 1/4 "African" and people that are 1/4 "European" and 3/4 "African" score the same on standardized tests. But, they don't have the same skin color / shade. If there was a genetic based IQ difference you would expect the same shift as you see in skin color. But, that's not what happens, thus it's probably not a genetic trait.
> score the same on standardized tests Statistically that's not true. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
PS: It's been a few years since I read that finding so it's going to take me a while to find it again.
Edit: Americans that are 1/4 "African" tend to identify themselves as African. This seems odd to me but it's actually the case.
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That's the exact reason they push interns beyond breaking point. My friend regularly made silly, dangerous mistakes when tired - every time he did a serious dressing down ensued. Because he was an intern a qualified doctor always double checked him so none of the mistakes were enacted. But he learned his limits and how far it was safe to go. People put their lives in the hands of doctors; they are under pressure, ove…
What you say is logical, but doesn't quite square with the macho attitude described in the other comment. If you're tired and you realize you're going to do stupid stuff - that you're past your limit, you've learned that lesson, it sounds like.
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A family income of $300k is upper class, by the way. No one likes to call themselves rich, but $300k is at least in the top 10%, which is decidedly not middle.
If you're making 300k you're in the top one percent, or very near: http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm There's a lot of room at the bottom.
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A family income of $300k is upper class, by the way. No one likes to call themselves rich, but $300k is at least in the top 10%, which is decidedly not middle.
If you're making 300k you're in the top one percent, or very near: http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new06_000.htm There's a lot of room at the bottom.
It seems to me that a much of the criticism could have been defused with some slightly different methodology. Some statistics that might been good ammunition (each gathered with rates of several different cohorts: white, black-non-immigrant, black-immigrant, non-black-immigrant) * # of hours spent on homework * # of hours parents spent with children on school-related activities * Rate of parental participation in sch…
Ogbu's research is useful today simply because political correctness has reached a point where we can't even consider the role minorities play in their own academic achievement. 50 years ago the opposite was true; the political mainstream was looking for anything they could to justify the status quo.
The bottom line is that if you are trying to explain some phenomenon, you won't reach very good conclusions by taking certain aspects off the table for political reasons.
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I've seen precious little research on biological explanations. I'm betting all my money on culture. I'm in eastern Europe, and I feel parts of black culture familiar. And to be honest, I don't like it. We have here too a subculture in which people display gold chains and like songs about money and enemies, and pretty much to everybody's surprise it's socially determined, not ethnically.
You've seen precious little research? I assume you've actually looked? Read things like The Bell Curve, etc.?
I just finished reading What Intelligence Tests Miss, by Keith Stanovich. Summary: critical reasoning skills are much much better predictor of academic and social success then IQ, and (that's the shocker) largely _not_ correlated with IQ. And this is just one of the factors which influence success. Even if a group is a few IQ points above or below average, the final effect is very unlikely to affect anything.
edit: Oh, and yes, critical reasoning skills, even if they're not as well studied as IQ is (which is a shame, but it's being corrected) have a much much smaller genetic component and are easier to change during lifetime.
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> score the same on standardized tests Statistically that's not true. I don't understand what you're trying to say.
Ahh, ok, this is a case of "[Citation Needed]" and I am going to ask you first. PS: It's been a few years since I read that finding so it's going to take me a while to find it again. Edit: Americans that are 1/4 "African" tend to identify themselves as African. This seems odd to me but it's actually the case.