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Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

more importantly, the use of "natural" to describe a product with the implication that it being synthetic would be a bad thing is a fallacy.

Still, there is something nice about a chemical appearing in nature. Gives evidence that it doesn't do batshit crazy things to life.

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Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#73
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He used multiple accounts to vote-ring.

I highly doubt that a doctor who was receiving massive traction on reddit would stoop so low as to fake-upvote his own article.

> massive traction

For an example of one accused of such see [0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#74

>The farmers apparently take the drug themselves, at pretty high dosages, saying that it allows them to work without getting tiree. That's insane. Tramadol is among the worst painkillers to use recreationally, which is why it's often the next line of analgesic therapy after NSAIDs and before hydrocodone. It is a comparatively weak mu-opioid agonist, so the dose a person would have to take to get a prototypical opioid…

Presumably they are getting the drug from supplies meant for the cattle. It's not like they have a choice of drugs to use.

The article actually seemed to imply that the farmers started taking it first and thought (for some reason) that the cows might also benefit.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#76
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly doubt that a doctor who was receiving massive traction on reddit would stoop so low as to fake-upvote his own article.

> massive traction For an example of one accused of such see [0] [0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidan

Unidan has his own Wikipedia article? Wow, I didn't know the whole thing got well known enough for that outside of Reddit.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#77

[off topic] Wow, his last post created some bizarre drama on Reddit: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2014/09/12/thiola_retro... His criticism of a biotech CEO provoked a Reddit thread with two thousand comments, and the CEO showing up to write responses. And controversially the whole thing was removed by moderators, and Dr. Lowe briefly banned from the site.

Would you mind linking to the thread? I know it's been removed, but I'm curious which subreddit that happened in. Also, did anyone ever explain why he was shadowbanned? Only Reddit admins can shadowban someone, and I thought they only issued bans for vote manipulation, not for causing controversy.

> Only Reddit admins can shadowban someone

I'm a mod of a default subreddit. We can't shadowban people from the entire site, but we can use AutoModerator to moderate comments and shadowban users in a specific subreddit based on certain criteria (e.g. one day old account with negative comment karma or if account mentions certain keywords) or by manually adding a user to a shadowban list. This is separate from reddit's built-in subreddit ban, which is much more obvious.

It's possible (and sounds a lot like) he got banned/shadowbanned in /r/news and the mods there thought his self-promotion went too far and got reported for spam to maybe be banned outright from reddit. That seems excessive though. I usually just tell people to do a better job contributing to reddit if they're being spammy, and I only report people when they're creating new accounts to harass others.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#78

>The farmers apparently take the drug themselves, at pretty high dosages, saying that it allows them to work without getting tiree. That's insane. Tramadol is among the worst painkillers to use recreationally, which is why it's often the next line of analgesic therapy after NSAIDs and before hydrocodone. It is a comparatively weak mu-opioid agonist, so the dose a person would have to take to get a prototypical opioid…

It doesn't sound like they're trying to get high, per se, just work harder without feeling it. A "recreational" dose would probably interfere with getting work done.

Not necessarily. Opioids, like other euphoriants, are somewhat "stimulating" (mentally) in small doses.

I know they aren't just "trying to get high". The problem is that in order to get any psychotropic effects from Tramadol, the dose is so high that a lot of other really nasty effects will come with it. A 5mg dose of hydrocodone would accomplish the effect they are after with very little negative physical effects.

If they were just using it as an analgesic, which the article clearly indicated is not the case, it would be a different story.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#79
post #72

wtf are anti-depressants being given to cattle?

Tramadol is a painkiller, not an anti-depressant... but the question remains.

Probably the same reason chickens are fed anti-biotics... to increase yields.

In the case of chickens... antibiotics keeps them disease free and promotes growth. Cows milk production is negatively affected by stress and unhappiness. Painkillers help keep them happy.

Re: Tramadol Is Not a Natural Product After All

#80
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He used multiple accounts to vote-ring.

I highly doubt that a doctor who was receiving massive traction on reddit would stoop so low as to fake-upvote his own article.

Vote rings can also downvote other articles.
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