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Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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The writer says a lot of things that are just silly. For instance: It's hard enough to craft desire for a single identity. When asked to think of an Apple Watch, people don't know what to picture. Can you imagine if the original iPhone in 2007 came with sixty customizable skins? Well, um, it did come with hundreds of customizable skins. They were called iPhone cases. They were, and still are, endemic. Instead of a si…

The important point is Apple did not sell those cases when the iPhone was first released. It didn't talk about the idea of customizing it. People will figure out how to own their phone and make it personal. I think the author of this piece did a great job channeling a likely, and better, introduction.

Yeah that's true but it's still silly. Phones sit in your pocket, they mostly look the same, it's not that big a deal.

Watches on the other hand have been fashion items for over a hundred years. There are countless variations. It would be arrogant - even for Jobs - to claim that a single design would satisfy everyone, would be perfect.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#73
post #18

Hacker News: your premier source for Steve Jobs fan fiction. (laughs) Does the author really think that Steve Jobs would have ever said "When I open up a website on Safari, I don't have to strain my eyes anymore"? They're still selling 5S and 5C! Not even Asus would disparage their previous products like that. The rest of the piece is just as bad and devoid of substance. (Steve rolls in his grave)

The adulation is a bit rich. Wasn't 3.5 inches claimed to be "the perfect size" by this same individual?

Part of being Steve Jobs is knowing when you have a breakthrough and knowing when you've got an incremental improvement. He did plenty of the latter as well as the former.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

Frankly, I'm glad Cook is not trying to imitate Jobs. Imagine if Cook had gone on stage and followed the script jiggly wrote. It would have come off completely insincere. Sincerety is why Jobs was great, and it's why Cook is great. He doesn't BS us, as Jiggity seems to want.

But the thing is, no matter what Apple does people will complain. There's always another way that they could say would have been better. If Apple had released only one watch model, in black, then people would complain about how they would never wear a black watch.

No, this is exactly the kind of spin we've seen from people after every Apple keynote, going back to the late 1990s. Steve Jobs was not immune. It's just now that he's dead, they have a new "it's cause Jobs is dead!" rationalization.

This is just a warm over of the standard issue "iPod is lame", "iPhone needs a 'real' keyboard", "iPad is just a big iPod touch", "the iMac needs a floppy drive!" type complaint after every product introduction.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#75
post #46

This was killed already once today and is back again? Steve was very explicit to Tim Cook and others in the Apple executive team that they should never ask "what would Steve do." Seems to be written by someone with little understanding of Apple today.

Looks like the author is a YC alum. It's destined to reach the front page.

When Steve Jobs introduced the iPod, I believe the author was probably 10 years old.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#76

The single version of the watch is spot on. As is the implicit point that maybe they could have hit this year's holiday season if they hadn't tried to make so many different versions. The best part of what you wrote is the end, where Steve ties the watch to the human experience. I hadn't thought about his keynotes from that lens before -- you showed me something new.

Missing the holiday season is intentional -- for one, Apple does that all the time, to great effect re Q2 sales (they require no additional holiday sales boost). Secondly, they deliberately licked the cookie of this product category, which is going to annihilate holiday quarter sales for their competitors and most likely cripple wearables teams in terms of group buyin for the coming year.

Wouldn't it be even worse for other wearable companies if people could, you know, buy the iWatch in time for the holidays?

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#77
post #13

The writer says a lot of things that are just silly. For instance: It's hard enough to craft desire for a single identity. When asked to think of an Apple Watch, people don't know what to picture. Can you imagine if the original iPhone in 2007 came with sixty customizable skins? Well, um, it did come with hundreds of customizable skins. They were called iPhone cases. They were, and still are, endemic. Instead of a si…

endemic? I have no idea what you meant by that word. It's not the right word at all.

iPhones are pretty much "worn" these days, either in the hand or pocket. What about the iPods that are worn daily by runners and practically everyone in the gym.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

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A week doesn't go by without me seeing Steve Job's name in some click-bait headline and inasmuch as the author has identified current problems with Apple we can add the cult of Jobs to that list.

Yes, of course, Jobs had amazing charisma, and bringing Apple back from the brink of bankruptcy with well designed products by Johnny Ive deserves its legend. But as the novelty of these products wear off (as they should) Apple still strives to distinguish itself (and continue to charge its premiums) by designing superior hardware. The hardware market is somewhat saturated, but since the tech is always improving, planned obsolescence means we get to take advantage of superior tech and better products every few years.

The real growth market is the cloud and internet-of-things, and I think the author got it right by imagining Jobs describing the watch as a product for the "personal universe". Tethering to an iPhone is the first step to tethering to the Cloud. Apple is still trying to figure out the cloud, and they keep stumbling, and the celebrity leak (of which nothing was said to a room full of celebrities), and the live stream screw up are the latest examples. Also, egregiously, their indifference to producing a responsive website. They're still a hardware company, and the hardware, combined with their tightly controlled OS X / Unix based software, provide a solid platform for the design of superior software, by others.

The first iPhone was severely limited and it didn't become the democratized smartphone until after the App Store and the 3G, that is to say, after they crowdsourced software development. The watch seems like the iPhone 2G and the Nano watch hack as revised by Ive. I don't want this version, but I'll probably want the one after the next, when its twice as thin, and Ive makes another pompous video extolling its bullshit (I can't have been the only one rolling my eyes at the "horological experts" and the "conferring on how different cultures care about time" ... the clock was perfected years ago).

The thing about Apple is that they keep making the Modernist Future come true - handheld communicators, tablets, and now walkie-talkie watches. Tim Cook is proud of the fact that they pulled off the Dick Tracy finally, and who cares whatever Samsung did a year ago. What they really need to pull off next are the holograms.

It just seems to me as well that to everything there is a season, and Apple has had a glorious turn of the century. It integrated itself with youth culture, but do you think the kids of the 2030s will still crowd Apple retail stores, presuming they still exist? Or will they see the brand as that of their parents, and thus lame.

My greater point though is that Jobs is dead and let him rest in peace, and let Apple grow beyond Jobs, and don't worry if one day in about twenty years you hear some kid say Apple is lame. Apple did that to Sony, and presumably some startup out there now, or about to be created, might do that to Apple.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#79

The single version of the watch is spot on. As is the implicit point that maybe they could have hit this year's holiday season if they hadn't tried to make so many different versions. The best part of what you wrote is the end, where Steve ties the watch to the human experience. I hadn't thought about his keynotes from that lens before -- you showed me something new.

Apple did the right thing by releasing dozens of customization options for watch. They also did the right thing by having different sized watch mad phone. The whole average adult hand size is just that. Average. It ignores the fact that women have much smaller hands and wrist.

Phone has evolved to become everyday life commodity. You have to consider practical needs for devices that are going to be on you half your waking life.

What worked for apple in the past may not work for them in the future. For what they are they are solid devices.

The bigger problem apple has isn't the marketing. Its that they are making products that are predictable.

Re: Steve Jobs Introduces the iPhone 6 and Apple Watch

#80
post #66

Don't tear apart the details of what the author wrote. Just squint your eyes, and you know he's dead right. This is exactly the kind of storytelling that was missing from Tuesday's keynote. Steve always started with WHY before he got to the WHAT or the HOW. Tim Cook was shaking his fists in triumph after doing nothing but showing some over-produced video that showed some cool camera angles on the watch. Not a word ab…

He's right about the iPhone but not the watch. Jewelry is a completely different sector where individualization is not just nice-to-have but absolutely required. They would sell a few watches to die-hard fans if they didn't show "the 60", but they would miss the market they are trying to hit: people who wear watches. In effect, the ONE is the 60.

I'm not saying it was a perfect launch, and they may have gotten it right unintentionally, but they still got it right.

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