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Re: Apple Pay

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post #41

So we want to make payments via our phones. My first thought would be to create a protocol for this. Instead we get ApplePay and GoogleWallet and whatnot. If the internet was invented today, we would have AppleMail instead of email and GoogleTrans instead of http.

You say this like just nobody tried till now. Well, they did try. What happened after they tried?

Re: Apple Pay

#72
post #41

So we want to make payments via our phones. My first thought would be to create a protocol for this. Instead we get ApplePay and GoogleWallet and whatnot. If the internet was invented today, we would have AppleMail instead of email and GoogleTrans instead of http.

Google Wallet uses exactly whatever standard let's you tap a credit card to a contactless payment terminal. I assume Apple Pay is the same thing?

Re: Apple Pay

#73
post #52
post #9

Apple pay is an interesting and natural move from Apple. They probably have the largest number of credit cards info on earth. I think this business can eventually become larger than the iTunes if they execute it well. I couldnt find any information on whether Apple pay users can use this for online purchases or not. If they do this may be their next move will be to naturally be the Paypal competitor.

Does Apple charge anything for the transaction?

I'm REALLY curious about this. Will they charge a transaction fee and have it as another revenue stream for them (like iTunes/App store)? Or is it going to be another commoditization of their competitor's/partners products in order to move more hardware (like iMessage). If it's the latter that would be a HUGE deal. I just can't imagine they would be able to resist taking a slice of that $12 billion/day transaction pie, though.

Re: Apple Pay

#75
post #54
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cynic in me winces when thinking of the mess all the banks and interested companies would make trying to get together and build a payment standard. Just look at the terrible mess of stuff like OFX.

FIX

Ah, a standard protocol where nobody implements the standard in the same way. As someone who has been working with FIX for few months, I could totally feel the pain.

Re: Apple Pay

#76
post #6

I really hope this doesn't end up fragmenting the NFC payments space. Only Apple Pay is accepted in one place, and only Google Wallet is accepted in another. Both of these technologies work with contactless card readers, let's just stick with that.

Aren't they both digital abstractions over NFC payments (e.g. PayPass)?

I have a feeling on the terminal side, it looks just like like a plastic card with PayPass.

Re: Apple Pay

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Google Wallet have similar security features, such as not storing or transmitting your actual credit card number or your name, or use of a secure enclave in the phone hardware?

No. Google Wallet simply blurts the magstripe information into the reader over NFC. It has no security features to speak of.

It doesn't use your card's number, it creates a virtual card and gives that number to the payment terminal.

https://support.google.com/wallet/answer/2676665?rd=1

Re: Apple Pay

#78
Anyone else seeing a 'Phishing attack ahead'?

Chrome is complaining that Google Safe browsing detected an ongoing phishing attack.

Re: Apple Pay

#79
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Apple charge anything for the transaction?

I'm REALLY curious about this. Will they charge a transaction fee and have it as another revenue stream for them (like iTunes/App store)? Or is it going to be another commoditization of their competitor's/partners products in order to move more hardware (like iMessage). If it's the latter that would be a HUGE deal. I just can't imagine they would be able to resist taking a slice of that $12 billion/day transaction pi…

The implication from Tim was that Apple was not trying to make money off of this. He said that ApplePay would be successful because competitors tried to turn it into a profitable system for them, instead of focusing on making it work.
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