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How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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I'm a Canadian who is temporarily in the US, and it seems so backwards to me. A signature? You mean writing on a piece of paper that probably never gets looks at allows someone to take money out of my bank account? Chip+Pin at least has a semblance of technical security. And cash? Don't get me started. Cash can be physically lost. Cash can be stolen. When you pay with cash, you get given coins as well as the thing yo…

This, I'm living exactly the same situation right now. Last time I came to the US, I realized my cards' magnetic bands weren't working. Would have never noticed otherwise, chips don't wear off. Had to prepare for new cards before my next trip. Chips came so long ago in Canada that I can't recall when. My surprise every time I remember they're still not here. Then cash only places and having to receive coins; the wors…

> chips don't wear off

The chips may not, but the contact surfaces corrode. Then, when you're facing a slightly aged payment terminal with also corroded contacts, your card gets rejected no matter what you do.

So from my view, NFC in phone has two things going for it: it can be toggled on and off, effectively preventing drive-by cardjacking; and it is better protected from elements.

The fact that I have other personal reservations about contactless payments is different matter altogether.

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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A few counterpoints to having your phone used as a payment device : - it breaks more easily and wears out quicker than a card - you can't lend it to a friend to have him buy stuff for you ( i don't have a pass id iphone so maybe i'm wrong on this one) - it gets stolen more often because it has intrisic value ( and a big one for the iphone) - if it gets stolen, how are you going to call your bank to disable it ? Plus,…

> - it gets stolen more often because it has intrisic value ( and a big one for the iphone)

Not really, if you can't activate it.

- if it gets stolen, how are you going to call your bank to disable it ?

You'll go to icloud.com and deactivate it yourself.

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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This, I'm living exactly the same situation right now. Last time I came to the US, I realized my cards' magnetic bands weren't working. Would have never noticed otherwise, chips don't wear off. Had to prepare for new cards before my next trip. Chips came so long ago in Canada that I can't recall when. My surprise every time I remember they're still not here. Then cash only places and having to receive coins; the wors…

Same thing here (but in Europe). I wonder if Apple Pay will really get some momentum here.

I am optimistic. Today, I have to remove my credit card from my wallet to hold it close to the card terminal, in the future my iPhone will be sufficient …

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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Apple Pay uses industry-standard EMV contactless protocols over NFC (and MSD contactless for backward compatibility). This makes it compatible with a wide range of contactless payment terminals in deployment today. So if the last section of the article is correct that means ApplePay will be compatible with Mastercard PayPass terminals? If this is true it would be really easy to roll out ApplePay as for example in Swi…

It sounds like the acquirer needs to be ready to support network-level tokenization. I have no idea how an acquirer can detect what kind of card it is an compute interchange when everything is in the same BIN.

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Maybe it's just me but I'm not drinking the kool aid about Apple Pay in today's announcement. Aside, I really hated the fact that to watch the event you had to use a Safari browser, same with watching Swift tutorial videos on their website, using latest Chrome on a Mac... Maybe I'm old school but I'm actually finding that payment options are getting worse, not better. This is another example of further fragmentation.…

Yea, I use cash for a few reason, and found it liberating. If you do use cash you need to really trust the people you live with. Actually, in my family we only have one credit card and everyone uses it just for emergencies and online purchases, and we still use checks for bills.

I applaud Apple for trying to make transactions safer, but I honestly don't even trust Apple(never gave them the family credit card for ITunes). By the way; I hardly ever use ITunes anymore. I couldn't be the only one? I'm surprised ITunes doesn't have more competition by now--a good alternative?

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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The 3DSecure stuff gets a bit weird, do you still get redirected to you banks 3DSecure page? If so I don't see that working to well in at least some countries (I know Apple Pay is US only for now).

In Denmark a large number of banks would present you with a Java applet on the 3DSecure page, that's not really going to work on the iPhone.

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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A few counterpoints to having your phone used as a payment device : - it breaks more easily and wears out quicker than a card - you can't lend it to a friend to have him buy stuff for you ( i don't have a pass id iphone so maybe i'm wrong on this one) - it gets stolen more often because it has intrisic value ( and a big one for the iphone) - if it gets stolen, how are you going to call your bank to disable it ? Plus,…

>- it breaks more easily and wears out quicker than a card

I don't know about you, but personally I use my phone far more all of my credit cards combined on a daily basis. Is pulling out my phone to process a transaction going to add additional ware to it? Probably not. It's most likely out already from me using it while waiting in line.

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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Maybe it's just me but I'm not drinking the kool aid about Apple Pay in today's announcement. Aside, I really hated the fact that to watch the event you had to use a Safari browser, same with watching Swift tutorial videos on their website, using latest Chrome on a Mac... Maybe I'm old school but I'm actually finding that payment options are getting worse, not better. This is another example of further fragmentation.…

The problem of capitalism is that all agents want (amongst other things) full vendor lock-in. Sadly that's been our general direction for the past 50 years in most aspects of life, and there seems to be little hope for reversing the machine in thr short term.

This happens when the vendor has a certain degree of control over their market; however, if the market is large enough, an overly-restricted platform becomes a liability, and customers move to better solutions.

Re: How Apple Pay works and why it matters for developers

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Maybe it's just me but I'm not drinking the kool aid about Apple Pay in today's announcement. Aside, I really hated the fact that to watch the event you had to use a Safari browser, same with watching Swift tutorial videos on their website, using latest Chrome on a Mac... Maybe I'm old school but I'm actually finding that payment options are getting worse, not better. This is another example of further fragmentation.…

Well, sometimes digital payment comes with a nice discount. That's where CASH can't compete.

Many businesses offer cash discounts, much more so than digital.
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