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Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by gaius »

dualogy wrote: post #36
julie1 wrote: post #29

I am coming from «la banlieue». These kind of incidents happens to you so much time in your life that I can't empathize. Aggression is stressful, but even being beaten is not the end of the world. It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents. And our special policemen «la BAC» are behaving like bad cops in movie we call them the cowboys. When you see them in the…

Are we now all supposed to google for whatever the heck "banlieue" or "la BAC" is supposed to mean? :D

Why not? Educate yourself.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by BugBrother »

Spearchucker wrote: post #59
guard-of-terra wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you want to change it?

Some view it as a racial slur.

What... against whom?

OK, I don't expect rationality from racists or anti racists (but then, in Sweden "anti racist" seems to be a code word for antisemite. No, sadly not joking.)

But... I can't off the top of my head name a culture that has never used spears and javelins.

Edit: First, spears is an universal farmer's weapon most everywhere. Second, thanks guard-of-terra: It is a shame -- considering all the English I have consumed for decades (both professionally and in literature etc) -- that I don't even seem to know the basic racist insults. :-)

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by superuser2 »

judk wrote: post #61
spacefight wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"It's part of the process of becoming adult at my opinion to know how to face these kind of incidents." Part of the process of becoming an adult is to learn how we, as a societey can work ourselves up, so that robberies are not a necessity or a regularity, at all.

And here we have the distinction between reality and wishful thinking

Eh, not necessarily. I have an iOS 7 iPhone with a PIN and Find my iPhone; it has no resale value without my AppleID password, which is necessary to wipe the device. My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled. There is really no incentive to rob me on the street unless I'm carrying my laptop, but I'm pretty conservative about where/when I do that.

We can certainly lower the rewards for street robbery while keeping the risks high; Apple took a pretty major step already.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by DanBC »

superuser2 wrote: post #73
judk wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And here we have the distinction between reality and wishful thinking

Eh, not necessarily. I have an iOS 7 iPhone with a PIN and Find my iPhone; it has no resale value without my AppleID password, which is necessary to wipe the device. My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled. There is really no incentive to rob me on the street unless I'm carrying my laptop, but I'm pretty conservative about where/when I do that. We can certainly lo…

> My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled.

Let's hope street robbers don't start kidnapping people and milking the balance out of their accounts over a few days rather than just robbing cards.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/2382134.print/

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-400032/Teenager-kidn...

http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/armed-gang-kidnapped-...

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by romanovcode »

Spearchucker wrote: post #26

Krav Maga. First thing it teaches you is to stay away from areas where something like this is possible. The next thing they teach you is to run away. If you think you'll look like a coward, compare that feeling to having a knife in your arm. If none of that works out for you, they teach you how to defend yourself. Brutally. Even how to extricate your wrist or arm from a grab. Physical size and strength (yours and you…

If you're learning martial arts for self-defense in 21'st century you're wasting your time. Your karate skills won't help vs someone with a led pipe, crowbar or a knife.

Just get a gun and get it over with.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by guard-of-terra »

praptak wrote: post #63
guard-of-terra wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Rich kids are out of reach of the law" Why is that, I wonder? Most rich kids still don't have enough leverage to mess with a cop, do they? How rich are we talking?

Connections-rich: father knows the mayor. Money rich: can hire a good lawyer. (The lawyer knows the mayor.) The rich kids don't have to mess with cops. The cops know not to mess with them.

If we're talking very rich, there shouldn't be too many of them. I mean, how many people know the mayor? This isn't even a class.

Still doesn't add up to me.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by guard-of-terra »

judk wrote: post #65
guard-of-terra wrote: post #38

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Anyway this isn't a solution to anything. What do they want, create their own Gaza out of those problematic areas?

Ready and waiting to hear your solution. guard-of-terra for Mayor!

Strict immigration quality laws (as in, three strikes and you pay for your one way ticket home). Fix police funding and then demand performance from them. If there's a problematic area, put enough cops there so they pluck everybody undesirable one by one until the rest is benign and/or got the hint. Control unemployment (we don't just want low numbers, rather evenly distributed), discourage walled settlements, try to mix people together. Instead of providing welfare checks, make policemen/teacher jobs. Still can't find work? Try hard or get booted (if you're some kind of immigrant, of course).

The main take off is - it works until you break it. If you have a broken socity, stop complaining and fix it, it's absolutely doable.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

romanovcode wrote: post #75
Spearchucker wrote: post #26

Krav Maga. First thing it teaches you is to stay away from areas where something like this is possible. The next thing they teach you is to run away. If you think you'll look like a coward, compare that feeling to having a knife in your arm. If none of that works out for you, they teach you how to defend yourself. Brutally. Even how to extricate your wrist or arm from a grab. Physical size and strength (yours and you…

If you're learning martial arts for self-defense in 21'st century you're wasting your time. Your karate skills won't help vs someone with a led pipe, crowbar or a knife. Just get a gun and get it over with.

Maybe exaggerating? Martial arts vs lead pipe can be very effective. Likewise crowbar. Knife - everybody gets hurt but you can still 'win'.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

DanBC wrote: post #74
superuser2 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, not necessarily. I have an iOS 7 iPhone with a PIN and Find my iPhone; it has no resale value without my AppleID password, which is necessary to wipe the device. My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled. There is really no incentive to rob me on the street unless I'm carrying my laptop, but I'm pretty conservative about where/when I do that. We can certainly lo…

> My credit card is a useless piece of plastic the moment I get to a phone and have it disabled. Let's hope street robbers don't start kidnapping people and milking the balance out of their accounts over a few days rather than just robbing cards. http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/2382134.print/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-400032/Teenager-kidn... http://www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/armed-gang-kidnapped-...

That's a very different crime than simple robbery. 5 years to life. May as well kill the victim.

Re: Attacked By Thugs (2004)

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Post by jnbiche »

julie1 wrote: post #37
dualogy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are we now all supposed to google for whatever the heck "banlieue" or "la BAC" is supposed to mean? :D

banlieue = subburbs. Paris == 1M intra muros (~15km radius from notre dame) subburbs == 12M (~40km) BAC = Brigade Anti Criminalité (Anti Crime Unit) But everybody refers to them as the BAC or in slang the «cowboys»

>banlieue = subburbs.

Yeah, but you have to explain that subburbs are not the same in France as in the U.S. Here, subburbs are generally where educated, middle-class people go to live (although that is changing in some places).

In France, the "banlieu" subburbs are what we would call the "inner-city". Speaking colloquially, the ghetto.

Big difference, and just translating "banlieu" as "subburb" does not explain this.

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