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The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust

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Re: The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust

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Post by josho »

secstate wrote: post #17

Well, I wrote my congressmen. What else can we possibly do? This is, however, a fucking travesty of justice. How can you possibly be caught committing a crime and have the higher-ups formally apologize, and say they wont do it again? This is high treason against the United States Senate. What the hell is wrong with this country? I feel like the US is one big democratic tease, pretending to be a bastion of free though…

What Americans don't understand is that their democracy is a joke.

-Real democracies don't suffer from gerrymandering. -Real democracies have a free media that will challenge their government (the US news agencies are controlled by large corporations, the corporations are fine to challenge the government on a range of issues, but nothing truly substantive). -Real democracies have elections with choice, not two parties that differ only by shades of grey.

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Post by barce »

sp332 wrote: post #48
poof131 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US Military has seldom had a decade of peace, New York and San Francisco have had centuries.

Well, SF has had about 1 century.

There are bullet-ridden and blood-stained flags in San Francisco's City Hall that beg to differ and were carried by this city's sons to different wars and conflicts. I cried when I first saw them.

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Post by pessimizer »

tomjen3 wrote: post #28
TeMPOraL wrote: post #25

You know what's CIA's even more reckless breach of trust? Organizing fake vaccination campaigns[0]. Now the efforts with eradicating Polio in some parts of the world meet with resistance of people who don't trust the vaccination campaign isn't a cover for US clandestine operations[1]. Hard to blame them, to be honest. "The edict by the Islamic militants to ban immunization was in response to the CIA's setting up a fa…

Shouldn't be difficult to fix. The programs should just be financed and controlled by Saudi Arabia or some other ME country.

The Saudis are generally seen as completely in bed with the US by people who live in the Middle East, largely because the Saudis are completely in bed with the US.

Everybody in the Middle East isn't the same.

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Post by poof131 »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #70
poof131 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not at any cost. The irony of this tragedy is that the intent of the operation was to mitigate the possibility of collateral damage and going after the wrong target. I'm pretty sure Cowboy Bush would have been all in at the mention of Osama and never done the vaccination op. To depict targeting Osama as a revenge killing is not right. I try to empathize with the grievances he had and represents against the…

“Jacques,” he said, “You and I share a common faith. You’re Roman Catholic, I’m Methodist, but we are both Christians committed to the teachings of the Bible. We share one common Lord” Chirac said nothing. He didn’t know where Bush was going with this. “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East,” Bush said. ‘’Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.” Gog and Magog? What was that?, thought Chirac. “This confrontati…

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Violence in the name of religion is wrong no matter the side. While I disagree with the war in Iraq and only wish the best for the Iraqi people, to draw too much of a parallel between Bush and Osama I wouldn't say is fair.

I also think it distracts from the more important issues: The continuous belief in Washington that they can play with peoples lives like chess pieces and shape a better world through violence. [1], [2]

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Life_in_the_Emerald_Ci... [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Best_and_the_Brightest

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Post by ianstallings »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #69
sroerick wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you think about the open intelligence movement?

Never heard of it. The title sounds interesting.

Here is some more info on a figure behind the open source intelligence movement below. It's not just intelligence that they want to reform, it's the entire system.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/ju...

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Post by srean »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #70
poof131 wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course not at any cost. The irony of this tragedy is that the intent of the operation was to mitigate the possibility of collateral damage and going after the wrong target. I'm pretty sure Cowboy Bush would have been all in at the mention of Osama and never done the vaccination op. To depict targeting Osama as a revenge killing is not right. I try to empathize with the grievances he had and represents against the…

“Jacques,” he said, “You and I share a common faith. You’re Roman Catholic, I’m Methodist, but we are both Christians committed to the teachings of the Bible. We share one common Lord” Chirac said nothing. He didn’t know where Bush was going with this. “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East,” Bush said. ‘’Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.” Gog and Magog? What was that?, thought Chirac. “This confrontati…

...and I thought this was a scene from a Coen brothers movie, it is that bizarre.

Re: The CIA's Reckless Breach of Trust

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Post by lotsofmangos »

poof131 wrote: post #75
lotsofmangos wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Jacques,” he said, “You and I share a common faith. You’re Roman Catholic, I’m Methodist, but we are both Christians committed to the teachings of the Bible. We share one common Lord” Chirac said nothing. He didn’t know where Bush was going with this. “Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East,” Bush said. ‘’Biblical prophecies are being fulfilled.” Gog and Magog? What was that?, thought Chirac. “This confrontati…

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this. Violence in the name of religion is wrong no matter the side. While I disagree with the war in Iraq and only wish the best for the Iraqi people, to draw too much of a parallel between Bush and Osama I wouldn't say is fair. I also think it distracts from the more important issues: The continuous belief in Washington that they can play with peoples lives like chess pieces a…

Only half of the hawks are playing cynical power games, the rest of them think they are in the middle of a religious war as foretold by prophecy. Unless you understand that many of our leaders and armed forces are literally involved in a crusade, then you will never get a handle on middle eastern policy.

edit - and the most dangerous are those who don't believe, but claim faith for leverage. Those are the people who will go into a 'final war' with an eye on the spoils. The true believer doesn't believe there will be spoils at that point.

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Post by simoncion »

barce wrote: post #72
sp332 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, SF has had about 1 century.

There are bullet-ridden and blood-stained flags in San Francisco's City Hall that beg to differ and were carried by this city's sons to different wars and conflicts. I cried when I first saw them.

This is a gentle reminder that when someone says "Place X has known peace for period Y" they mean "There has been no significant military action in Place X for period Y.". People from Place X can engage in military action in other places during period Y, but Place X is still in a period of peace.

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Post by sp332 »

simoncion wrote: post #79
barce wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are bullet-ridden and blood-stained flags in San Francisco's City Hall that beg to differ and were carried by this city's sons to different wars and conflicts. I cried when I first saw them.

This is a gentle reminder that when someone says "Place X has known peace for period Y" they mean "There has been no significant military action in Place X for period Y.". People from Place X can engage in military action in other places during period Y, but Place X is still in a period of peace.

Well my City Hall has blood-stained flags too, they're from the Civil War http://www.unionleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/201312... which didn't happen anywhere around here. I wouldn't say NH was "at peace" during the civil war though.
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