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Zillow to Acquire Trulia for $3.5B

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I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don't realize that Zillow/Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin. Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region,…

I just bought a house in the bay area, I tried multiple times to contact Redfin but never got any response. I ended up using a traditional agent but I was left wondering what is going on over there. Maybe they have more business than they can handle?

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they provide a hugely invaluable service What is that service? I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely curious, as the structure of the industry (and fee level) is significantly different than where I'm from. I don't get why you need a real estate agent to help you buy.

I'm in the process of buying my first home, and it's been hugely helpful to have an agent. Services include: - Tours of homes; seeing something online and seeing something in person is an impressive difference. Some houses look amazing online and terrible in person, or vice versa. Cannot possibly overstate the value of this. - Negotiation; he's a professional negotiator, and he has years of experience negotiating in…

Agents usually split the commission. So, the seller will pay their agent 6%, but the buyer's agent takes half, or 3%. If you don't have an agent, and put in a bid on a hot property, the seller's agent will have a much stronger incentive to push your offer through, since they will make substantially more money. Alternatively, you might be able to get away with a slightly lower bid since the seller and seller's agent could eat some of the cost.

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I've had trouble with Trulia's image serving for the past several months. It seems like their images just take forever to load, to the point that I switched back to Zillow.

Can I ask where you are located generally and was this on mobile or desktop/laptop?

I am in the southeast US, and it happened on both mobile and desktop. It got especially bad a few months ago (give or take).

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they provide a hugely invaluable service What is that service? I'm not being snarky; I'm genuinely curious, as the structure of the industry (and fee level) is significantly different than where I'm from. I don't get why you need a real estate agent to help you buy.

Disclaimer: I work for a real estate brokerage (but I'm a software developer). Real estate agents can help in a number of ways (chaossphere2112 outlines a number of them), but one of the easiest ways to think about it is that this is a very large, complex transaction that happens rarely. That means that, while you could learn all the ins and outs of: - contracts (often regulated by the state) - negotiation (in whatev…

The way the market works in Finland is that the seller almost always pays for a real estate agent, mainly to draft contracts, give tours of the property and so on. Negotiation is pretty simple typically, the buyer just makes an offer, I don't know what's more to it.

I can see that a real estate agent for the buyer gives value, but I wouldn't personally pay much for it. Not 3% at least, that seems like a huge waste of money to me.

Re: Zillow to Acquire Trulia for $3.5B

#75

I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don't realize that Zillow/Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin. Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region,…

Why would you use a real estate agent trying to pump the price as high as possible I was surprised to read this, since I thought you'd hinted at exactly the opposite by mentioning Freakonomics. Isn't the Freakonomics argument that an agent is incentivized to instead sell the property as quickly as possible , regardless of the sale price? For instance, accepting an offer that is $10k under the listing price will cost…

Yes, that was the argument in Freakonomics and they're completely right.

The real estate market can be extremely receptive to low prices, so if you list your house very low, you're likely to sell it much faster. The bulk of the money the agents make will come from the part of the house that could sell very easily. If a house could sell for $200,000 today, but you have to have it listed six months before it could sell for $220,000 (which is unknown at the time, of course). The seller agent is going to make $6,000 of the $200k sale (3%) but will only make $600 more from selling it for an extra $20,000. And a lot of the time that 3% number is high. If they aren't a broker, they're splitting that 3% with someone else, so maybe the extra $20k sale price only nets them an extra $300 in their pocket.

When I was selling my house a few years ago, I talked with one agent that was recommended to me and he was so blatantly obvious in his desire to get commissions that I couldn't believe the people who recommended him failed to see that. He came in, refused to list the house for less than a 6% split (this is negotiable, 5% isn't uncommon at all) and wanted to LIST the house for around $8,000 less than what I actually sold it for a few months later. It wasn't that big of a house and was in an area with very affordable housing, so that extra $8,000 was high enough of a total % to make a huge difference.

Also, I'd venture that many people selling their houses still have a mortgage on the house, so the huge base commission the seller agent makes isn't even coming off of the owner's profit, it's coming of the amount they need to pay back the note.

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#76

I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don't realize that Zillow/Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin. Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region,…

Why would you use a real estate agent trying to pump the price as high as possible I was surprised to read this, since I thought you'd hinted at exactly the opposite by mentioning Freakonomics. Isn't the Freakonomics argument that an agent is incentivized to instead sell the property as quickly as possible , regardless of the sale price? For instance, accepting an offer that is $10k under the listing price will cost…

chatmasta is talking about the _buyer's_ agent. In the US real estate market, the buyer's agent is typically paid a percentage of the sale price. So the buyer's agent has an incentive to convince the buyer to pay a higher price. They of course also have an incentive to convince the buyer to buy quickly, for the reason you said.

Oh, also the _seller_ is typically the party that actually pays the buyer's agent. Yes, this is pretty messed up.

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I imagine it would be relatively easy for them to operate as actual brokers also. I wonder what has stopped them.

That's the thing... it's not as easy as you'd think. There are a lot of barriers put up to protect the industry. In many ways, innovation should have put Realtor's out of business like they did Travel Agents. The difference, Travel Agents didn't have a powerful lobby group like NAR.

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#79

Zillow 2013 revenues: $225M, profits: -$12.5M Trulia 2013 revenues: $175M, profits: -$17.8M

You would expect this from the two most innovative companies in the industry. Both companies are leveraging their revenue to grow rapidly. A concern for profits at this point is premature. Trulia was profitable years ago at a vastly smaller revenue number.

Re: Zillow to Acquire Trulia for $3.5B

#80

I interned for Redfin last summer. This is a really interesting space, and most people don't realize that Zillow/Trulia are operating drastically different businesses from Redfin. Some background: The US real estate industry is broken up into regions (e.g. SF bay area, Orange County, Lake Tahoe, etc.). In order for a brokerage [1] to operate in a region, it needs to employ agents specifically licensed in that region,…

There's also this: https://www.realscout.com

Although I'm not entirely sure how they operate.

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