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My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Besides, the police shouldn't try to enforce particular laws until they are confident about their understanding of them.

Where in this article did the officer try to enforce whatever law it was he thought Uber was violating?

True, he didn't follow through, but he did bring it up in a way that suggested he was planning to enforce his flawed understanding of the law. My point is that he shouldn't even bring it up if he is uncertain.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

I guess most larger companies pay their employees taxi trips to/from the airport.

I would expect that every company pays their employees' business travel costs. (With some "ordinary and reasonable" caveats, of course.)

Why would an employee pay out of pocket for something that's for the employer's convenience/at the employer's discretion and direction?

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

#73
post #2

This is why you don't have "conversations" with law enforcement. If it actually was illegal, even if you didn't know, you just confessed to a crime and they can use what you just told them against you. ps. reality-check, this dude paid $100 to basically get across town and eventually back - this is not how most of the rest of the world lives

Reality check, this dude had taken a plane and needed transport around his destination - this is very much how people live when on a trip. This is perfectly normal behavior in most of the world, especially when it's a trip for business purposes. The only change is that the price of travel varies extremely between countries.

Reality check triple :)

It depends a lot on where one's from, and/or what one's used to. I can only speak for Europe and larger cities in Eastern Asia: A rail connect from airport to downtown is commonplace, often high-speed, and is taken by the vast majority of passengers that do not have a private or hotel pick-up, including business travelers.

A fare of $100 to 'get across town', unless I was in a real hurry to make up 20 minutes of time for a really important point-to-point connection, would horrifies me, but occasionally the bullet has to be bit.

[For smaller cities without rail infrastructure, taxi/cab fares tend correspond to a lot less.]

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Here's a better headline: "My Uber gor pulled over by the Denver Police, and the officer mistakenly told us Uber is illegal." Maybe not so many clicks that way, though. I agree that this was a rather unfortunate and odd experience, but I don't see what the big deal is. The only thing that struck me as "really weird" about this is that the author called a Denver Post reporter to get live legal information while he was…

I don't think the officer was in the wrong here. The law had changed, but he acted on something that was still illegal under the new law: not having commercial insurance. He was right, the Uber driver was violating the law. Its to his credit that he resolved the uncertainty, in the moment, in their favor.

That is actually a public interest issue. If an Uber driver hits you, and his personal car insurance doesn't cover it because it was commercial use, he can just declare bankruptcy and leave you stuck with the bill. This is why states require you to have insurance before driving.

Indeed, the irony of the article is that the police officer is the one who had the author's interest at heart. When a driver gets into an accident and a passenger is injured, the driver's insurance pays for the passengers's medical expenses. If the Uber driver's insurance denies the claim because he was engaged in commercial use (and probably lying about things like annual mileage and purpose of the vehicle), then the author is up shit creek.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess most larger companies pay their employees taxi trips to/from the airport.

I would expect that every company pays their employees' business travel costs. (With some "ordinary and reasonable" caveats, of course.) Why would an employee pay out of pocket for something that's for the employer's convenience/at the employer's discretion and direction?

Some companies don't pay _taxi_ travel costs if there is a cheaper alternative (e.g. shuttle busses)

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would expect that every company pays their employees' business travel costs. (With some "ordinary and reasonable" caveats, of course.) Why would an employee pay out of pocket for something that's for the employer's convenience/at the employer's discretion and direction?

Some companies don't pay _taxi_ travel costs if there is a cheaper alternative (e.g. shuttle busses)

Good point. I try to take public transport on business (and personal) trips whenever that's reasonable (which is subset of those times when it's cheaper).

In many foreign countries, the taxi is so much easier than trying to figure out public transport that the taxi wins. In many US cities, public transport doesn't get you close enough to be reasonable alternative, even though it would be less money out of pocket.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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post #62

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It seems in this case neither the passenger nor the cop was crystal clear about the law. Regardless.... Nothing actually happened. Nobody was wrongfully arrested. A cop said some stuff that seems legally questionable, but did not act on it. That's not "really weird" in my book.

The police officer caused undue delay and distress to the passenger of the vehicle. That's most definitely harassment.

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Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

#78
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems in this case neither the passenger nor the cop was crystal clear about the law. Regardless.... Nothing actually happened. Nobody was wrongfully arrested. A cop said some stuff that seems legally questionable, but did not act on it. That's not "really weird" in my book.

The police officer caused undue delay and distress to the passenger of the vehicle. That's most definitely harassment.

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Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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Ha, train stations, that's rich. So is life in the US.

Portland to Seattle via train is quite reasonable. The stations are both downtown.

Same with Boston to NYC, or the Northeast coast in general.

Re: My Uber got pulled over by the Denver police – and then things got really weird

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As a passenger you are not required to produce identification unless the officer has probable cause that you have committed another crime (i.e. not wearing a seatbelt): http://www.patc.com/enewsletter/legal-answers/2-apr08.shtml It's always best to avoid any discussion with law enforcement, even if you have nothing to hide.

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