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WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by campd »

paulirish wrote: post #50
kibwen wrote: post #24

> We’re working on a protocol adapter that will allow > clients using the Firefox Remote Debugging Protocol – > including the Developer Tools and WebIDE – talk to all > mobile browsers, regardless of rendering engine or > runtime. Our first targets are Chrome for Android and > Safari on iOS. My company expects all of our internal web applications to function on the executives' iPads, but they refuse to purchase Macs…

> If Mozilla truly reverse-engineers Apple's remote debugging protocol it would be a godsend for us. Google did this a while ago: https://github.com/google/ios-webkit-debug-proxy It works well for connecting Chrome DevTools to Safari, automating Mobile Safari through ChromeDriver, or hooking up your iOS device to a private instance of WebPageTest.

And that work is key to the stuff we're doing. Thanks again, Chrome folks!

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by super_mario »

simonsarris wrote: post #54

This is fantastic and I'm really glad it's being bundled with Firefox and not as a separate download. As I've said elsewhere, a lot of kids still assume that programming is essentially "magic" done by professionals and they implicitly assume there is no way to getting started at their education level (This is especially true if their parents are non-technical, as mine were). All the resources in the world may exist,…

What? Kids ARE the experts and if you have spent time to become a professional you are already too old. Haven't you read the agism article on HN today?

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by hrjet »

thegeomaster wrote: post #15

This should be a separate tool. An add-on, or whatever, but it shouldn't be bundled with the browser. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense. Do you see audio mixing/mastering or video editing software being bundled with media players? Or do you see word processors/TeX IDEs bundled with PDF viewers? No, because you wanted to play your Black Sabbath .mp3, or read a .pdf scientific paper. If you wanted to re…

Moreover, adding more functionality to an application increases the surface area for attack. Adding it by default increases the risk for everyone.

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by 01Michael10 »

BaconJuice wrote: post #43

Anyone know how I can access this on Windows XP? Don't seem to see the option to click "Web IDE" on Developer tools?

You have bigger problems then how to run "Web IDE"... Why are you running Firefox nighties on Windows XP? You trying to have the most unstable and insecure box possible?

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by cbhl »

simonsarris wrote: post #54

This is fantastic and I'm really glad it's being bundled with Firefox and not as a separate download. As I've said elsewhere, a lot of kids still assume that programming is essentially "magic" done by professionals and they implicitly assume there is no way to getting started at their education level (This is especially true if their parents are non-technical, as mine were). All the resources in the world may exist,…

> the computers are the very same.

What do you do when you run into a kid holding an iPad?

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by cclogg »

cbhl wrote: post #75
simonsarris wrote: post #54

This is fantastic and I'm really glad it's being bundled with Firefox and not as a separate download. As I've said elsewhere, a lot of kids still assume that programming is essentially "magic" done by professionals and they implicitly assume there is no way to getting started at their education level (This is especially true if their parents are non-technical, as mine were). All the resources in the world may exist,…

> the computers are the very same. What do you do when you run into a kid holding an iPad?

An iPad could be a good stepping stone. For me it was Nintendo as a kid that then got me into computer games, which then got me into making my own stuff, which then made me into a programmer today heh.

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by nandhp »

toyg wrote: post #39
thegeomaster wrote: post #15

This should be a separate tool. An add-on, or whatever, but it shouldn't be bundled with the browser. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense. Do you see audio mixing/mastering or video editing software being bundled with media players? Or do you see word processors/TeX IDEs bundled with PDF viewers? No, because you wanted to play your Black Sabbath .mp3, or read a .pdf scientific paper. If you wanted to re…

We've gone full circle: Firefox/Phoenix was born as a way to separate the browser from (guess what) html-authoring, email, calendaring etc, which used to be "the same program" aka Netscape Communicator / Mozilla Suite. The split basically killed off most of the orphaned components. Now Mozilla are busy rebuilding an html-authoring tool and packing it into the browser. I bet messaging will follow.

> messaging will follow

Messaging is already here. Except it's called the Social Service API.

For example, there are two Facebook Services. You can go (right now) to the Mozilla Social Service Activations Portal, select Facebook Share, and click "Activate now":

https://activations.cdn.mozilla.net/en-US/facebook.html [Requires a Facebook account]

There used to also be a Facebook Messenger Service, but that appears to be gone for some reason:

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-facebook-messe...

There's developer documentation here:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Projects/So...

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by kibwen »

robin_reala wrote: post #67
kibwen wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks, I've never heard of this before and it sounds very useful. ...Or rather, it would be very useful were it not for the fact that it only appears to run on Linux and OS X, whereas my employer-granted computer is running—drumroll, please—Windows XP! And like I said, these are all internal applications, and I don't have the authority to VPN in on any computer that I please. Ah well. Enterprise bureaucracy strikes…

Have you ever thought about quitting and working for a company that doesn’t treat you like a child?

What, and not get paid to spend half my time on HN while the ravages of Sarbanes-Oxley grind productivity to a halt?

(The funniest thing is that we're not even a public company, and have no shareholders to defraud. That's right, we opt in to Sox-compliance.)

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by chris_mahan »

stebemops wrote: post #66
kibwen wrote: post #24

> We’re working on a protocol adapter that will allow > clients using the Firefox Remote Debugging Protocol – > including the Developer Tools and WebIDE – talk to all > mobile browsers, regardless of rendering engine or > runtime. Our first targets are Chrome for Android and > Safari on iOS. My company expects all of our internal web applications to function on the executives' iPads, but they refuse to purchase Macs…

Here's a crazy idea: what if we stop buying apple products until they stop pulling this walled garden crap and we are free to use the overpriced hardware we paid for as we damn please?

I have never bought an Apple product. Not even a iTunes file.

Apple is still doing well, though.

Re: WebIDE lands in Firefox Nightly

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Post by alxndr »

logn wrote: post #26
thegeomaster wrote: post #15

This should be a separate tool. An add-on, or whatever, but it shouldn't be bundled with the browser. If you think about it, it doesn't make much sense. Do you see audio mixing/mastering or video editing software being bundled with media players? Or do you see word processors/TeX IDEs bundled with PDF viewers? No, because you wanted to play your Black Sabbath .mp3, or read a .pdf scientific paper. If you wanted to re…

Every browser already ships "developer tools" for inspecting and debugging webpages. And you can already use those tools to rewrite the pages. I see this as the next step of that. And audio or word processing tools are less related to the web than this IDE. I agree that I don't see the harm in making this an Add-on instead. Anyhow browsers are the new operating systems, and Firefox has a development IDE bundled.

Chrome has an option where you can save your edited JS back to the file system; it also feels like another step along this path.

I also think that including dev tools and even an IDE like this in a browser are fundamentally different from including a mail or calendar client in a browser.

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