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Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by GuiA »

asaddhamani wrote: post #35
GuiA wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't really compare Dropbox and Mozilla. They don't have the same structure, they don't have the same goals, they don't attract the same kind of leadership or employees, they don't have the same people pulling the strings, etc etc.

So apparently being a war criminal is a lot better than donating $1000 to Prop 8? The world would be a better place if instead of Eich, Rice resigned.

Re-read my comment. I'm not saying it's better at all; just that you can't compare the two (and saying "If Houston had been at Mozilla..." is nonsensical).

The kind of people involved with Mozilla, and the kind of structure Mozilla aspires to be, makes it logical for them to dismiss their CEO in the way they did.

The kind of people involved with Dropbox, and the kind of structure Dropbox aspires to be, makes it logical for them to defend their board of directors choice and not back down.

(FWIW I have deep disgust for some of the actions taken by both Rice and Eich.)

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by ebbv »

natural219 wrote: post #3

I'm still mad about the Brendan Eich thing. Like, mad . I'm totally fine with anybody pursuing whatever kind of political agenda they want, but at the moment you start to derail real progress, the moment you attack one of the best organizations who has literally been busting its ass for the last decade to change the world for no profit... Well, you declared war. I think this whole debacle should be a rallying cry tha…

Oh please. Bullying my ass. People found his views repugnant and reacted accordingly.

Maybe you don't think supporting Prop 8 is repugnant, but lots of us do.

This isn't a question of him supporting second amendment rights, or thinking the ACA is over-reaching. This is him actively supporting the squashing of the civil rights of a minority group because he doesn't approve of their relationship. Not only the donating to Prop 8, but even now in 2014 standing by those views.

It is certainly his right to hold those views, but they are repellant enough that I no longer felt OK using Mozilla products. Other people shared my view. Enough people that Mozilla felt compelled to react.

This is not bullying. This is freedom of speech all around and a free market, and a result of that.

You and Andrew Sullivan pretending Eich is a victim of bullying are being ridiculous. If he had been a member of NAMBLA would anyone say it was bullying? No. Prop 8 support may not be as bad as NAMBLA, but it's pretty awful in my view all the same.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by ender7 »

Can anyone proffer an opinion on Chris Beard as the new CEO? Is he a good choice, or should this remain an interim position? I don't know anything about him.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by Mikeb85 »

ender7 wrote: post #62
jvehent wrote: post #10

People who are going to comment on this blog post need to realize how disturbing this episode has been for Mozillians. We are talking about a small group of people, a couple thousands at best, that work with limited resources to keep the web open for everybody. When this tidal wave hit Mozillians, the base contributors and employees who spend most of their days in code and features, we lost focus of our work, and ste…

"Accepting each other's beliefs" seems like a simple solution, but it has a very problematic result. To LGBT Mozillians, this becomes "you must respect beliefs that say that you are a second-class citizen." No one should feel like they must respect beliefs that devalue their person.

Why not? Religious people get ridiculed all the time, people drink and eat pork around Muslims, and yet somehow they fit in fine.

And being a member of a religion isn't always a choice, being that usually you're born into it and your name identifies you as such.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by homulilly »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #60
nostromo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And where do you draw the line? Are you going to defend people that oppose Women's Suffrage too? What about slavery supporters? These were just political opinions once too. But today you'll find that they get you fired as CEO. And for good reason: blacks and women (and gays) are your customers and employees and business partners.

Well let's just fire all Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus since those religions all traditionally are against homosexuality and also have sexist elements.

People protested Eich because of his personal actions, not for being a member of any religious or ethnic group. Besides, I personally know Christians and Muslims who not only do not work against gay and feminist rights, but are activists in those areas.

All you're accomplishing here is making yourself look intolerant.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by twoodfin »

davidw wrote: post #70
twoodfin wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely curious where you would draw your line. Would you support firing Mozilla's CEO if it's revealed he voted for Mitt Romney? What if he gave his campaign $1000?

Maybe we can all agree that it's a fuzzy, gray line, and move on to talking about things that can actually move our businesses forward, or are cool hacks, interesting phenomenon or otherwise generate more light than heat.

A fuzzy, gray line that cost a smart hacker a job he was otherwise incredibly well-suited for?

If it's really that indistinct, it's scary: I might want to work for a company some day that cares about where that line is, and I'd like to stay on the right side of it.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by protomyth »

Xdes wrote: post #16

Time to see Chris Beard's track record for contributions.

I am hoping he has never made a donation or spoken about any issue. His whole life is going to go under a microscope looking for the "gotcha". Sadly, its just how this stuff works.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by carlio »

msbarnett wrote: post #65
carlio wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OKCupid did - they told people to ditch Firefox - http://news.yahoo.com/okcupid-urges-boycott-mozilla-cites-ce...

So what's the argument here, exactly? When Brandon Eich exercises his freedom of speech to donate money to a cause that was harmful to many mozillans, that's somehow NOT an attack on non-heteronormative Californians, BUT when OkCupid exercises their freedom of speech to encourage use a different webbrowser, that IS an attack on Brandon Eich? Maybe you could draw the class a map of what kinds of speech are OK and what…

bkor said "Nobody attacked Mozilla." - I was merely providing a counter example.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by homulilly »

crystaln wrote: post #22
natural219 wrote: post #3

I'm still mad about the Brendan Eich thing. Like, mad . I'm totally fine with anybody pursuing whatever kind of political agenda they want, but at the moment you start to derail real progress, the moment you attack one of the best organizations who has literally been busting its ass for the last decade to change the world for no profit... Well, you declared war. I think this whole debacle should be a rallying cry tha…

I read this twice, and I still have no idea what you are trying to say, which side of any issue you are on, or what makes you any different from over-reacting haters on either side.

Pretending to be on one side while implicitly supporting the other. Fairly common line of thinking amongst self-proclaimed moderates who try to hide, or wont acknowledge their own reactionary politics.

Re: Mozilla Moving Forward

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Post by Tloewald »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #60
nostromo wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And where do you draw the line? Are you going to defend people that oppose Women's Suffrage too? What about slavery supporters? These were just political opinions once too. But today you'll find that they get you fired as CEO. And for good reason: blacks and women (and gays) are your customers and employees and business partners.

Well let's just fire all Muslims, Christians, Buddhists and Hindus since those religions all traditionally are against homosexuality and also have sexist elements.

Buddhism?
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