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Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by true_religion »

noonespecial wrote: post #33
chrismonsanto wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the whole 'eminent domain' debate in a nutshell. Not quite--eminent domain is also used to take property from people who ARE using it. And I think that is where that debate gets very thorny, because the compensation is not always worth the costs of uprooting someone from their home.

Eminent domain hits the skids when it takes property from someone that is living there and pays them the market price for someone who wants to sell to someone who wants to stay . Those are different prices indeed.

If you want to stay, your 'market price' may as well be infinity.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by rplnt »

walshemj wrote: post #28
rplnt wrote: post #18

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I think it's really stupid to get domain like this, whether the name is trademarked or not. They didn't steal the domain, they just registered it (or bought it) because it was available. 4chan.org has absolutely no right to it. But since .com TLD is not really international, who knows what will happen.

How is .com not international it's a TLD? by definition TLD's are not tied to a geography in the same way that country domains are.

The .com is essentially US domain. So as, for example, .be is controlled by some Belgian organization, .com is controlled by US one. And it's not ICANN, so it doesn't aim to be international either.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by Dylan16807 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #67
Dylan16807 wrote: post #65

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There's a reason I put the 'not a value judgement' comment. You have justification, but you are still doing it .

Alright but if the definition of squatting doesn't help with the value judgement, ie some squatting is justified, then that's no great help towards deciding how to delineate allowable behaviour wrt domain holding, is it? I considered the purpose of the definition of squatting was to define behaviour which was considered unhelpful and was to be discouraged in some way.

It's still ICANN's right and responsibility to get that domain back to the business the site is actually for.

You might have a moral justification in witholding the domain until you're paid, but it's not yours.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by walshemj »

rplnt wrote: post #72
walshemj wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is .com not international it's a TLD? by definition TLD's are not tied to a geography in the same way that country domains are.

The .com is essentially US domain. So as, for example, .be is controlled by some Belgian organization, .com is controlled by US one. And it's not ICANN, so it doesn't aim to be international either.

NO all the gtld's like .com .org .net are not specific to coutrys - where the registry is located has no bearing on

Back in the day I used to be one of the owners of .coop which was run out of the UK that didn't mean that it wasn't for all co-ops world wide.

What domain does the Manchester Guardian a UK based newspaper use - it uses a .com.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by rplnt »

walshemj wrote: post #74
rplnt wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The .com is essentially US domain. So as, for example, .be is controlled by some Belgian organization, .com is controlled by US one. And it's not ICANN, so it doesn't aim to be international either.

NO all the gtld's like .com .org .net are not specific to coutrys - where the registry is located has no bearing on Back in the day I used to be one of the owners of .coop which was run out of the UK that didn't mean that it wasn't for all co-ops world wide. What domain does the Manchester Guardian a UK based newspaper use - it uses a .com.

It doesn't matter how it should be. It is controled by US company, that falls under US jurisdiction, thus US does control the .com namespace.

example: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/03/01/bodog_shut_via_veris...

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by krfsm »

nivla wrote: post #53
Shinkei wrote: post #49

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>In the mean time, someone read about this big project and decides to built a mini mart called Main St. Shopping right around the corner Are you trying to stengthen my argument? You've just proven that they were doing the very thing I'm arguing is unethical. Now if they incidentally named their shopping plaza this name and they can prove it was coincidence... well then we have an argument. As for Google.io, they DO h…

>Are you trying to stengthen my argument? You've just proven that they were doing the very thing I'm arguing is unethical. No, the point is you are trying to use emotions to determine the "good" guy from the "bad" guy, which is not as black and white as it seems. On the same issue: 4chan.com was created on "12/13/03" where as 4chan.org was created on "2004-02-14". Now you can't say just because 4chan.org is popular,…

>On the same issue: 4chan.com was created on "12/13/03" where as 4chan.org was created on "2004-02-14". Now you can't say just because 4chan.org is popular, they should be awarded 4chan.com OR that 4chan.org should be transferred to 4chan.com because the name was "copied" from them and is thus "unethical".

You have not observed the full history. 4chan was popular before both dates observed by you, but under the 4chan.net domain (from September 2003). That domain was suspended by the registrar on 2004-02-11, which was the cause of the move to 4chan.org.

I.e. the 4chan.com domain was registered about three months after 4chan.net, at a point where the latter had substantial traffic.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #73
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alright but if the definition of squatting doesn't help with the value judgement, ie some squatting is justified, then that's no great help towards deciding how to delineate allowable behaviour wrt domain holding, is it? I considered the purpose of the definition of squatting was to define behaviour which was considered unhelpful and was to be discouraged in some way.

It's still ICANN's right and responsibility to get that domain back to the business the site is actually for. You might have a moral justification in witholding the domain until you're paid, but it's not yours .

>get that domain back to the business the site is actually for //

Surely, the domain is for the business - or other entity - who pays for it.

Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by [deleted] »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #77
Dylan16807 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still ICANN's right and responsibility to get that domain back to the business the site is actually for. You might have a moral justification in witholding the domain until you're paid, but it's not yours .

> get that domain back to the business the site is actually for // Surely, the domain is for the business - or other entity - who pays for it.

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Re: 4chan demands 4chan.com domain name

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Post by _puk »

noonespecial wrote: post #34
_puk wrote: post #26

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Oh, and I had the trademark for said site..

If you have a trademark, file a complaint with ICANN. It will almost certainly be handed to you. Usually without even hearing from the other party. I've both lost and gained domains in this fashion.

Does the trademark have to contain .com?

i.e. I have theword trademarked, but not theword.com

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