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Re: DNS results now being manipulated in Turkey

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Post by bayesianhorse » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 12:48 PM UTC

coldtea wrote: post #44

gokhan wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are lots of voters believe in Erdogan because he said he's clean. It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism. He talks about Islam and national flag. He's reading national anthem's lyrics in ads on TV.

>* It's all about uneducated public being manipulated through religion and patriotism.* So, not much unlike the so-called educated public, being manipulated by anti-clericalism and globalisation!

In this case the choice is between one ideal that encourages you to think for yourself, and one that discourages you.

One ideal which emphasizes the need for science and rational thought and one that needs conspiracy theories to survive.

One ideal which has proven to bring peace and prosperity, while the other is failing miserably, comparatively speaking.

Re: DNS results now being manipulated in Turkey

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Post by beagle3 » Mon, Mar 31, 2014, 1:22 PM UTC

bayesianhorse wrote: post #68

beagle3 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US elections are equally rigged - you vote for which faction of the mil-ind complex you like, and whether planned parenthood is funded - but not anything like wars, which simple continue as scheduled.

Rigged? I don't think so. But if you accept that you can't vote for every single decision because of practical reasons (and because multiple single-issue-votes tend to contradict each other), you can only vote for the general direction, and in the US this means you have a choice of about two directions. In other democracies you might have three or four directions but those countries tend to have more issues with inco…

> In other democracies you might have three or four directions but those countries tend to have more issues with incompetency and corruption.

That's a joke, right? Germany is more corrupt and less competent than the US? Sweden is? The UK is? On almost every metric of government efficiency, the US is behind most european countries.

> If people care about wars, the parties would align towards "war" and "no war" for an election. But they don't,

This is a stupid assertion. Why would they align towards "war" and "no war" when they don't have to? They have enough divisive things like Row vs. Wade, Planned Parenthood, Food Stamps, ACA, etc to make sure that every single-issue voter is accounted for in one camp or the other.

Do you remember that Obama campaigned on the "Close Gitmo" promise?

> But they don't, because beginning and ending a war isn't something that works well with elections or any arbitrarily timed decision process for that matter. Governments have to be able to start a war or not end it at the wrong time, otherwise you might as well let non-democratic countries take you to the cleaners...

I will assume you are naive, because otherwise I would have to assign malice to your argument. The US has been, for years, opening a new front every couple of years. Regardless of timing, "more military action around the world" and "less military action around the world" are things you can base policy on. In fact, Ron Paul campaigned for the latter. But in a two party system, anything except the big two parties is meaningless, and the big parties like it that way - it means they don't have to align with anything the public at large might actually want.

Re: DNS results now being manipulated in Turkey

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Post by rahimnathwani » Thu, Apr 10, 2014, 10:03 AM UTC

gaoshan wrote: post #65

"Using VPNs seems like the only valid solution" But a government like China interferes with even VPNs (more so outside of the greater Shanghai and Beijing metro areas, in case anyone is sitting in those areas saying "My VPN works great"... they permit it and can block or interfere with it anytime they like) so I don't think they are really a solution. In China, nothing really works if the authorities don't want it to…

Yes, the Chinese government can interfere with or block VPNs whenever they want.

However, don't discount the impact of bandwidth/peering issues on VPN performance. In most cases, I've found that VPN throughput over TCP (either PPTP or OpenVPN) is similar to HTTP throughput to the same host.

You can test this yourself. Put a file on your VPN server, and try to retrieve it over HTTP. If you're worried that the latency is limiting the throughput, use wget to make several connections at the same time, and sum up the transfer speeds.

Finally, you're right - there is no (technical) solution in the face of determined governmental interference.