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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by thaumaturgy »

jamesaguilar wrote: post #26

Are you at all worried that the increased comment friction will cause us to lose a lot of users? I guess the counter argument could be made that if we lose people because they are upset they can't post angry/useless comments, we might be better off without those users. And if it's so many that HN ceases to be useful to everyone, it might be better for the world if HN didn't exist. Which is a sobering thought. The oth…

> Are you at all worried that the increased comment friction will cause us to lose a lot of users?

Not speaking for pg, but he's stated in the past that growth was never a goal for HN.

HN could lose a lot of users and still be no worse off than it was 4 years ago, and it was pretty OK 4 years ago.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by tsycho »

pg wrote: post #28
cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

Furthermore, how about auto-accepting pending comments after 1 day? And maybe, not having the pending state for threads which are more than 1 day old?

The above will allow people to submit comments even when the thread has lost its popularity.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

thenmar wrote: post #33

The obvious big concern here is comments about minority groups and social justice. Are the 1000+ karma users going to shut down those voices?

A comment only needs a handful of people to endorse it, out of the large number who could, so that doesn't seem a big danger.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by baddox »

cperciva wrote: post #19

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Also, so much for 1-on-1 comment threads that are deeply buried and are not intended to be prominently displayed to anyone else. I've had lots of interesting conversations like that.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by tptacek »

mariusz79 wrote: post #50
smtddr wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the kind of comment I wouldn't endorse :)

Guess what? your comment wouldn't be endorsed either.. You will not have any chance to even see that comment. It may be a good thing, but the current system has few issues one of them: it will be much harder for anyone to get to 1000+ karma so effectively current "crème de la crème" will be in total control. Remember how some news with NSA in the title were being censored? This new system is much worse than that.

He wouldn't need to write that comment under the new system.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

DangerousPie wrote: post #63
pg wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

How about purging pending comments after a certain time (say 24 hours)? If they haven't been endorsed by that time, they will most likely never be endorsed. And even if they would be, nobody would read them anymore.

That is exactly what happens.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by pg »

sliverstorm wrote: post #69
pg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the current settings, a comment has a day to make it out of pending. If you delete a pending comment, it's no longer pending.

How long is the immutable timeout? I've never timed it, but I have a hunch that comments lose their delete-ability in less than 24 hours. So please be sure that pending comments can be deleted for the entire duration of their 24hr pend state.

Don't worry, they can.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Post by vezzy-fnord »

thenmar wrote: post #33

The obvious big concern here is comments about minority groups and social justice. Are the 1000+ karma users going to shut down those voices?

I'm personally no fan of postmodernism, but I hope that people will settle their ideological differences in endorsing comments.
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