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Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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Dogecoin is interesting. On one hand, it's all an elaborate joke and everyone involved knows it. On the other hand, it's got a higher transaction volume than its 'serious' cousin Bitcoin, and people occasionally use it to transfer significant amounts of money (e.g. here, and the Jamaican Bobsled Team). The biggest problem a currency has to overcome is the network effect. It's damned hard to bootstrap a currency, to g…

This is a very misleading comment. Dogecoin only processes about 0.3 percent of what Bitcoin handles daily, and is far behind in total number of daily transactions: http://bitinfocharts.com/

That link is incorrect. That data is on the wrong fork. Dogecoin is on 1.6, that is on 1.5(Dogecoin had a hard fork yesterday, the site hasn't updated the fork).

If you look at the actual data, Dogecoin is at 101.2% of it's daily volume, and if you go in $USD value, it is slightly over triple Bitcoins daily $USD trading.

Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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This is a very misleading comment. Dogecoin only processes about 0.3 percent of what Bitcoin handles daily, and is far behind in total number of daily transactions: http://bitinfocharts.com/

Ah, thanks, good point. Sorry, for that part I just went by what the linked article said about Dogecoin. :(

That guys data is wrong. The link he gave you is on the 1.5 fork, while Dogecoin is on the 1.6 fork. If you look at data from the 1.6 fork, Dogecoin is passing 100% of its net value in daily transactions. The article is right, his info is wrong(since the fork was only yesterday. That site has not updated yet).

Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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"Mining" is really solving a block. This means that your computer has verified all the transactions in the block and signed them. As a reward for keeping the transaction record secure, you get some coins. At first, the reward has to be large, to entice people to a new cryptocurrency. But over time, a secure network becomes valuable for itself, and the reward isn't necessary anymore.

I'm aware of what mining is. And you're not just signing a block. No one would be making custom ASICs and putting server farms near hydro-electric plants if all you had to do was sign a block. You're paying people to do useless work and it's silly.

How else would you propose securing the network?

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"Mining" is really solving a block. This means that your computer has verified all the transactions in the block and signed them. As a reward for keeping the transaction record secure, you get some coins. At first, the reward has to be large, to entice people to a new cryptocurrency. But over time, a secure network becomes valuable for itself, and the reward isn't necessary anymore.

I'm aware of what mining is. And you're not just signing a block. No one would be making custom ASICs and putting server farms near hydro-electric plants if all you had to do was sign a block. You're paying people to do useless work and it's silly.

You lose resources to create paper currencies, I don't see how two things are different

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That's not how it works. If every miner got a reward, then the decentralized network simply wouldn't work.

The one miner who solves the block gets the reward. All miners who tried to solve the same block (and that would be every other miner who didn't get a solution in first) have wasted their time and do not get a reward. I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about?

Of course, most mining is done by pools, where the reward is shared out to all those who contributed hash power. So saying "one" miner is not quite right.

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There's a growing list of exchanges where you can do this https://www.kraken.com https://www.anxpro.com https://www.vaultofsatoshi.com https://www.coinmkt.com

Can any of these sites actually realize that in actual USD in a reasonable timeframe? How much time and effort and waiting does it take to see $11k in their hands? Or do they have to do transactions of $100/max once per week with a waiting time of 10 days each?

Daily DOGE trading volume is in the hundreds of thousands USD equivalent. Selling $30k worth is easy.

Check the order book for just one exchange (Cryptsy DOGE/BTC). Very liquid. There are tens of millions of DOGE worth of open buy orders at any moment time. https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/dogebtc

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As a Keynesian I love that Dogecoin is the first (that I know of) crypto currency that isn't deflationary. I do wish there was a way to make the things other than mining though. I hate "mining". Such a waste of resources.

You definitely don't need to be a Keynesian to believe that a bit of monetary inflation is a positive thing. It's quite likely that Dogecoin will still be very deflationary if the velocity of cash flow, transaction volume increase faster than the Ð5 billion/a being added annually. Not to mention lost private keys which essentially destroy related coins forever.

You definitely don't need to be a Keynesian to believe that a bit of monetary inflation is a positive thing.

In fact, Dogecoin's model is a real world implementation of Milton Friedman's proposal:

  “We don’t need a Fed,” Milton Friedman says, twirling a letter opener
  as he speaks. “I have, for many years, been in favor of replacing the
  Fed with a computer,” he adds. Each year, it “would print out a specified
  number of paper dollars” to augment the money supply. “Same number, month
  after month, week after week, year after year.”

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I'm aware of what mining is. And you're not just signing a block. No one would be making custom ASICs and putting server farms near hydro-electric plants if all you had to do was sign a block. You're paying people to do useless work and it's silly.

How else would you propose securing the network?

Proof of stake. Or figure out something totally new. I'm not proposing a solution, just the problem. My gut tells me there is a solution though.

Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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I'm aware of what mining is. And you're not just signing a block. No one would be making custom ASICs and putting server farms near hydro-electric plants if all you had to do was sign a block. You're paying people to do useless work and it's silly.

You lose resources to create paper currencies, I don't see how two things are different

Because you lose far more with Bitcoin. Bitcoin is currently doing as many transactions as a small community credit union, but it's got server farms all over the world and thousands of individual computers and ASICs running 24/7 to "secure" it. It's totally out of control.

Re: Most Expensive Tweet Ever Sends $11,000 To Kenyan Water Charity Via Dogecoin

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That's not how it works. If every miner got a reward, then the decentralized network simply wouldn't work.

The one miner who solves the block gets the reward. All miners who tried to solve the same block (and that would be every other miner who didn't get a solution in first) have wasted their time and do not get a reward. I'm not sure what we're disagreeing about?

The disagreement is over whether the non-rewarded computation is a "waste." I don't think it is, because it's crucial to the operation of the network.
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