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Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by mattlutze » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:42 AM UTC

archagon wrote: post #43

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

I think your gut-check here will turn out to be inaccurate. We will have self-driving cars, and they will come soon. Ultimately, you need:

1. Cars capable of making decisions real-time, on the road, given unpredictable stimuli 2. A network of things, between the cars on the road, to allow optimization and homogeneity of traffic 3. Regulatory environments permissive of autonomous vehicles.

All of this is well under way and I'd say conservatively we'll see robust networks in less than a decade.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by tjogin » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:42 AM UTC

beloch wrote: post #16

If I were an auto manufacturer, I'd be pushing Apple to open up the standard for interfacing this with phones. iOS and iPhones are great, but are still only used by a fraction of potential customers. Why limit your market so Apple can score some lock-in?

There is no auto manufacturer, or manufacturer of any kind, really, that is in a position to push Apple.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:43 AM UTC

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

> going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with.

Not to discuss your other points, but who are you to say the human brain has evolved or not to deal with X or Y ? The human brain is actually very capable of dealing with multiple sensory signals, and the fact that most people can drive cars on motorways without crashing in each other's every 2 seconds suggest that the human brain is perfectly up to the task.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by Tyrannosaurs » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:43 AM UTC

Marazan wrote: post #63

archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet. That's because automatic transmission is the worst and invented by the devil. More seriously, using an automatic transmission results in trade-offs, for instance fuel usage was the historical number 1 sticking point with automatics guzzling up the petrol compared to manuals. Modern engineering has closed that gap but there are still issues related t…

I used to think automatics were horrible (I live in the UK, drove manual for 15 years) then I got one...

In terms of fuel economy, isn't it just a matter of time before automatics become as economical (then probably more economical) than manuals? Even without anticipating future events? Driving efficiently feels like something a computer could optimise for and that a human has no natural advantage doing.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by girvo » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:43 AM UTC

BillinghamJ wrote: post #54

archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

That is by choice. I live in the UK. Personally, I don't see the point in driving manual, but most drivers in the UK enjoy using stick shift. In the context of a self-driving car, that doesn't matter. The self-driving car technology is also very viable to use right now. I have seen Google self-driving cars on the freeways driving next to me. It would not surprise me if they were being sold within the next 5 years, co…

I personally just love driving a manual car. Its not for any practical reason, I just get a kick out of shifting perfectly, the feel of the engine and the control that I have.

That said, if there's a self driving car, you bet Id rather use that.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:46 AM UTC

archagon wrote: post #43

GuiA wrote: post #34

Yay, more touch screen in cars. More ways to distract, frustrate and confuse users who are operating a big box of steel weighing 3 tons and going at speeds the human brain has never evolved to appropriately deal with. 1) Not only are touch screens a very poor interactor in the first place [0], but why do you think planes and other complex machinery have stuck with physical controls? For operating complex vehicles/app…

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

> I mean, Europe hasn't even moved over to automatic transmission yet.

Haha. 1) Driving automatic cars is so boring. 2) it makes your body unbalanced constantly since you use a single foot, therefore your back will ache over long periods of driving. 3) You cannot adjust your speed as fast with an automatic car, we are stuck with binary controls while manual cars provide all the flexibility you need in real, and critical driving situations. All serious cars (like sports cars) are by far usually manual.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by emeidi » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:47 AM UTC

aadilrazvi wrote: post #64

Seems strange to me that you still have to plug in your iPhone. Nowhere does it say that you can connect via Bluetooth.

Does Bluetooth have the necessary throughput to send 1-3 MP of graphics data with approx. 10+ FPS to a car LCD display? Even if this was possible, it would drain your phone's battery considerably, which means you have to plug in your phone nevertheless to let it charge. Aside, attaching the iPhone via cable will be straight and much less cumbersome and error prone than pairing over Bluetooth.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by frik » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:48 AM UTC

  CarPlay is compatible with these iPhone models

No word about Bluetooth!? Will this be incompatible with Android & co devices?

CD drive on the marketing photo, very retro for a company that reinvented the mp3 player with iPod. USB-port is very common, but will CarPlay support it?

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by annnnd » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:49 AM UTC

josteink wrote: post #46

mbel wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe car manufacturers already have a cross platform standard: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MirrorLink Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel.

Carplay seems to be just Apple reinventing the wheel. To be fair, that's basically Apple's business models. Just add some proprietary standards and some software patents and you are good to go.

This comment is a bit dismissive. Can you really claim that for iPod, iPhone and iPad?

Sure, every invention is based on work of others, but Apple has still made huge improvements on multiple areas.

Re: Apple CarPlay

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Post by ekianjo » Mon, Mar 03, 2014, 9:49 AM UTC

mattlutze wrote: post #71

archagon wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you seriously think we'll have widespread self-driving cars — and not just the bare bones technology, but ones that we can ride in without any control at all, even while intoxicated — within a timespan short enough for every other advancement in car technology to not matter? I am almost 100% certain that we won't see that kind of thing even within the next few decades, if ever. Self-driving cars have way too many…

I think your gut-check here will turn out to be inaccurate. We will have self-driving cars, and they will come soon. Ultimately, you need: 1. Cars capable of making decisions real-time, on the road, given unpredictable stimuli 2. A network of things, between the cars on the road, to allow optimization and homogeneity of traffic 3. Regulatory environments permissive of autonomous vehicles. All of this is well under wa…

> All of this is well under way and I'd say conservatively we'll see robust networks in less than a decade.

I'd say you are being quite optimistic here. Such major changes will be heavily monitored and regulated, and regulations will make it very hard to market any of these vehicles before a long time. 10 years go by pretty fast, I don't think changes are going to that fast and radical. More likely in the scale of 15 to 30 years. But we'll see.