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What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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I'm going to guess that your friend didn't go to prison for 18 months solely for asking an officer for their badge number.

I went to court for eating a sandwich in the street. I'm pretty sure this could have happened. EDIT: here's the full story: http://p1x3l.com/article/121/cowboy-america/

Did you plead guilty? A lot of countries ask if you have ever been convicted of a crime and you'd have to answer yes to that question (no matter how ridiculous the 'crime')

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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I posted it because it's Sunday and there wasn't much going on. I wouldn't put it up as one of the finest HN submissions ever, but I think there's some value in "this could happen to you" and "this is what you should do if". The piece itself was well written and relatively apolitical and non-threatening. The "tech" aspect is the "fsck the police" part -- I think Nick is going to go into some ways to use technology to…

I didn't put it in the article precisely because I didn't want the shift in focus--but this incident made me think a lot harder about wearing my Google Glass again. That being said, there's absolutely no reason that cops should not have a camera on them at all times. It's more for their benefit than ours. As far as technologies that reliably work, the stop-and-frisk app is actually quite good, but requires practice l…

> That being said, there's absolutely no reason that cops should not have a camera on them at all times.

True. This would be a major positive change to our system.

> It's more for their benefit than ours.

False. Everything is already all the cops' way. They have nowhere to go but down. Their court testimony is legally privileged over yours (this really galls me in the face of the idea that "all are equal before the law"). They don't like being filmed because it hurts them. In this case, what we have is a case of "good for us because it's bad for the cops".

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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I wonder why that middle class, and upper middle class white individuals are now experiencing an increase in police. Perhaps it's resentment of the widening income gap between 20-30 somethings in the tech industry and those in the service industry? Another HN article referenced a Bay Area police officer making a remark about being a "wannabe billionaire."

"Perhaps it's resentment of the widening income gap between 20-30 somethings in the tech industry and those in the service industry?" Maybe. Because of the billionaire big winner image, people outside the industry see techies as very well off. In fact, cops make a lot more on average -- benefits included -- than techies or programmers or engineers. In big American cities, cops are paid similar total compensation to d…

I don't have data to back up my refutes, but on the surface those numbers don't add up.

In the US, state, counties, city and other local governments are struggling with their budgets. A police force with $400k in compensation per officer is way out of wack, and no way that tax payers would go for it.

At that level of compensation, that puts police officers in the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

I know here in Seattle (and the richer suburbs of Bellevue, Redmond, etc), it's a common complaint that police officers can't afford to live in the communities they protect.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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This has been the third article on HN recently about the police. Historically it has been minority groups that only see this side of police activity. Now that upper middle class white individuals have experienced it though Its interesting to read the comments people are leaving. For the record: I believe his advice is terrible for any person of lower socio economic background and especially for a person of colour. Th…

> The number 1 rule when interacting with police should be you have no rights. As a former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who agrees with the majority of sentiments in this thread, I can confidently say that your broad statement is nonsense. Everyone, not just upper middle class whites, should know and assert their rights in police encounters.

This only works if you assume that every officer is nice, reasonable and believes strongly in upholding their duty to the public.

The sad fact of the matter is that a very large number of police officers are simply bullies in uniform. Asserting your rights to them, or acting "uppity," will only get you in trouble.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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This has been the third article on HN recently about the police. Historically it has been minority groups that only see this side of police activity. Now that upper middle class white individuals have experienced it though Its interesting to read the comments people are leaving. For the record: I believe his advice is terrible for any person of lower socio economic background and especially for a person of colour. Th…

> The number 1 rule when interacting with police should be you have no rights. As a former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who agrees with the majority of sentiments in this thread, I can confidently say that your broad statement is nonsense. Everyone, not just upper middle class whites, should know and assert their rights in police encounters.

Hey! I was just reading about you guys. http://www.lamag.com/features/2014/2/26/downfall/print

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The number 1 rule when interacting with police should be you have no rights. As a former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who agrees with the majority of sentiments in this thread, I can confidently say that your broad statement is nonsense. Everyone, not just upper middle class whites, should know and assert their rights in police encounters.

This only works if you assume that every officer is nice, reasonable and believes strongly in upholding their duty to the public. The sad fact of the matter is that a very large number of police officers are simply bullies in uniform. Asserting your rights to them, or acting "uppity," will only get you in trouble.

A sizeable minority of officers are indeed bullies. But while I can't speak for other police agencies, even the bullies are pretty well reined in by the policies in Los Angeles. I can elaborate if you like.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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The correct answer was "Hipster beard", then.

> In the nearly six hours I spent in court on two separate dates, I saw around a hundred people plead guilty and pay fines for a variety of different petty offenses

This is plea-bargaining in action, and related to:

    Q: “How many citations have you written since you saw my client?”
    A: “Maybe 40 or 50. We’re required to write 10 citations a month.”
They're "manufacturing prisoners". One reason for that is the prison-industrial complex with the for-profit prisoners demanding "customers" and bought politicians delivering them. Another might have something to do with the burgeoning police state in the US.

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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This has been the third article on HN recently about the police. Historically it has been minority groups that only see this side of police activity. Now that upper middle class white individuals have experienced it though Its interesting to read the comments people are leaving. For the record: I believe his advice is terrible for any person of lower socio economic background and especially for a person of colour. Th…

> The number 1 rule when interacting with police should be you have no rights. As a former Los Angeles sheriff's deputy who agrees with the majority of sentiments in this thread, I can confidently say that your broad statement is nonsense. Everyone, not just upper middle class whites, should know and assert their rights in police encounters.

Thanks but I'll assert my rights from the safety of my home. No need to go on asserting rights to a cop with an itchy trigger finger. Or go do down the rabbit hole of asserting your rights and be degraded even more for asserting your rights. [1]

I'd like to believe the world works the way you think it does, experience has taught me otherwise.

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/05/david-eckert-enema-...

Re: What I learned from an unfortunate incident with the NYPD

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I'd like to create a mobile app where users can input a badge number. If the number already exists, you get the existing profile, if it doesn't, a new profile is created, from which you can upvote or downvote the officer, add a name or picture, and write a review. Other users can upvote or downvote reviews as well. The other part of the app would be a top 10 list of the best officers in NYC, and a top 10 worst office…

Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RateMyCop.com
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