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Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

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post #7

You can find the CS5 trial downloads here: http://prodesigntools.com/all-adobe-cs5-direct-download-link... All you need to do after that is insert your Student and Teacher serial number.

This was the first thing that came to my mind as well. Its not terribly hard to find the trial version downloads of any old Adobe software available from Adobe or an Adobe subsidiary online. Not sure why the customer service rep. didn't just suggest this in the first place.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#72
post #10

wow, quit your bellyaching and borrow an external cd-rom. Or, buy one for $30 (or less?). I don't know how you value your time, but surely $30 is worth it for the amount of time you've spent thinking about this, writing about it, on the phone, and now responding to people about it. also, hilarious that in my chrome, the obnoxiously massive adobe flash banner on your blog is crashing: http://snag.gy/FEVCV.jpg

For a second you had me doubt that the banner was an image illustrating the adobe experience, but then I remembered I don't have flash installed on any of my computers.

At first the reason was that it was a resource hog diminishing battery life and destroying silence while being a security issue, but adobe dropped support anyways.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#73
post #9

> Me: So you’re telling me I should download an illegal copy of your software, and use my legal serial with it? > Support: Yes Sir, that will work. Seems to me if they tell you you can do something with their product, you aren't pirating. You're following their instructions, though I'm no lawyer.

The way this brief interaction is constructed would lead one to surmise that the SOFTWARE is not what is protected/IP/sold to you... it is the LICENSE key. Thus, downloading software should never be an offence. He paid for the serial, not the software..

Well for one I think without giving a hash value for the data to be downloaded, say a known good torrent, this can only result in tears for the end user. Adobe pirate releases, notorious for being infected.

But to the point of your comment I would be wary of just considering it downloading. If, again using the bittorrent file transfer idea, you download a copy you could very well be considered to be making available the intellectual property for illegal obtainment. I personally wouldn't want to be stating "support said it was OK" if my ISP or an IP protection firm's lawyers take action. Since Adobe has worked with ISPs to monitor and issue complaints I wouldn't put this out of the realm of possibility.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#74
This post is superficially about bad support but the underlying issue is the move to subscription-based pricing (Creative Cloud).

Slightly in Adobe's defense, a subscription model would avoid this particular issue, where the customer needed support for a 4 year old version. Subscriptions just get everyone on a recent version always. The problem of course is that the subscription price is so much more expensive for casual/budget users. Casual users used to skip upgrades because they don't need all the latest features (some would say bloatware). Now they have to pay a minimum of $240/yr (1 app) and as much as $600/yr.

Adobe has essentially screwed these less profitable but very loyal and evangelistic customers in favor of extracting more revenue out of those that depend on Creative Suite. Wall St. responded favorably to this revenue pop but I fear this has (further) damaged Adobe's brand in the long term.

Interesting fact: the folks responsible for the Flash Platform fiasco were rewarded by being put in charge of Creative Suite. It's like the CEO said, sure, Flash worked out great, why not hand them the crown jewels and a shotgun?

BTW I 100% agree with the Sketch recommendation. It's much better than Fireworks or Photoshop for UI-related design.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#75
post #41

I was hoping this would be about how annoying the pricing is for Creative Cloud. If I was a designer then I could justify paying that kind of monthly tariff, but as primarily a developer who needs infrequent access to Photoshop or Illustrator the pricing options are just highway robbery. At least in the old days I could pay up front and stretch it out over time to get my money's worth by deciding when and if to upgra…

25 bucks a month for students is not that bad. And 50 month is totally reasonable. I find it much more accessible than before. And honestly I think that's less than the money the average person here spends monthly at coffee-shops. Or in one night out! Here's how you can afford it: avoid eating 5 sandwiches in a posh bar per month, and cook sometimes by yourself.

Yes I spend more than that on coffee, I drink very good coffee every day and I enjoy it. If I used Photoshop every day I would also find their pricing reasonable, but the reality is I can go 6 months without needing Photoshop. I don't need advice on how to afford it, I am not a student and I have plenty of money. My point is that the old pricing model was at least justifiable for me whereas the new pricing model is just not suitable for me in any way. To capitulate to this greedy new regime would be a slap in the face for upstarts like Pixelmator who are doing a great product at a reasonable value, it's no Photoshop, but at least they aren't just trying to juice the orange of all the people that are extrinsically locked into their file formats.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"should not of been suggested" twitch

I think a lot of time is wasted on perfecting spelling/grammar because of comments like the one above. Are you having difficulty understanding Scott's message or intent?

I'm beginning to get used to this particular error, but it's the kind of error that is often quite difficult to understand for non-native speakers (because you have to pronounce the comment, with the right accent, to be able to guess the meaning).

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#78
post #20

Downloading software is not piracy. Using it is. After all you are entitled to personal backup of your install media. The fact that the backup is distributed and cloud based is irrelevant.

There is another reason why downloading software from "somewhere else" is less than ideal in a case like this. The reason is that the pirated download might not be the original software as provided by the developer; there is no guarantee that it doesn't have, for example, some virus in it.

Nice FUD. But one could just scan it with an up-to-date antivirus to be sure. Unless it is some form of government funded virus it will most probably get detected.

I have yet to encounter a hard to detect and remove virus coming from a downloaded software from "somewhere else", I'd rather install software coming from the scene than a download portal such as softonic.

Re: Why I’ll be Pirating Adobe’s Products From Now On

#80

Adobe does practically nothing to deter piracy except put the token lock on the shed. Their copy protection has always been trivial to break. They seem to have worked out that it's better for someone to pirate their tools than it is for them to use a competing, cheaper product. Their bottom line would probably take a huge hit if they were to ever make it less than trivial to pirate. Not sure if this strategy is start…

The number one competitor of free alternatives like Inkscape or GIMP are pirated versions of Adobe's products. At least non-paying users are still perpetuating the Adobe monopoly on digital design and formats.
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