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Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your very first reason for not using ownCloud is "because it's written in PHP" then I'm probably not going to read the rest of your comment.

That's a shame, because you missed the qualifying remainder of that sentence, which that PHP isn't awful, but rather that the code looked janky. This makes me nervous when part of my mission is privacy. It should make your nervous, too. Some of the 3rd party plugins, such as the Music extension (which was included with ownCloud 5) looks like a security nightmare. PHP by itself has had some security problems, but comb…

> you missed the qualifying remainder of that sentence, which that PHP isn't awful, but rather that the code looked janky.

In which case there was no need to remark "because it's written in PHP" other than to appeal to the HN PHP sucks hivemind for upvotes.

> This makes me nervous when part of my mission is privacy.

Then you should not be using Dropbox. At all. At least owncloud is open source. Audit it yourself and patch any security hole you find if you really care about privacy.

> Some of the 3rd party plugins look like a security nightmare.

Disable them if you feel this way.

> PHP by itself has had some security problems, but combine that with poor programming practices and I avoid it

PHP has problems sure, but so does every language. I assume you're referring to owncloud (re. poor programming) as opposed to PHP as whole. Perhaps it is true, but at least with owncloud you have the option of fixing problems you notice, a luxury the closed source binary alternative does not offer you.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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Excuse the friendly jibe but you might consider dropping Hostgator next! I really respect and find valuable the idea of OwnCloud, but I have heard so many horror stories about files being deleted, slow sync times and bug fixes being secondary to the development of new features I have been put off. Has it now matured and can be considered more viable? I have been using BitTorrent Sync (with a Raspberry Pi as 24/7 serv…

We implemented owncloud in our company of about 500 users spread out in 33 countries last year, and besides some minor glitches with some users ( mostly user errors ) the implementation has been very successful. our original purpose of owncloud was for people to have a backup of their working files in our server ( because they travel a lot and equipment loss rate is high ) but they are now using owncloud for file sharing and work collaboration...we use server version 5 with the latest client which right now is 1.5. some teams in our company were using dropbox, but now are using owncloud...I guess for security reasons.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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> I have about 400GB of data backed up and synced between all my offices onto external drives at each location I can't even get it to synch 100MB properly. I'm using ownCloud for about a year now and I run into issues all the time. Simply put a Git repo in your ownCloud folder and it will never stop synching.

I cannot find your github issue about that. Could you paste a link, if you managed to find 10 minutes of your precious time to post the reproduce-scenario during your 1 year long struggle?

It's been reported a at least once already, see[1]. However, I don't see why I am required to create an issue before I am allowed to complain. OwnCloud has tons of open issues on GitHub, I'm sure there are doing their best to solve them already.

[1]: https://github.com/owncloud/core/issues/2470

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two points: 1) Dropbox has many thousands of their own servers, alongside the Amazon. It's not like they're just using raw S3 and nothing else. 2) Dropbox has a history of egregious mistakes which they try to sweep under the rug. Only a very silly person would believe that Arash has suddenly decided to be open and honest with the customers. Remember, when you talk about Dropbox, you're talking about a company that fl…

What's the source on your third paragraph? I want to read the backstory there. Edit: Bias alert; I work for Dropbox on our infrastructure team. I'm just curious about that particular incident, since it predates me and I'm always curious about these things.

Dropbox's website used to say: All files stored on Dropbox servers are encrypted (AES256) and are inaccessible without your account password.

This was changed to simply say that they are encrypted after this FTC complaint was filed: http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/2011/05/dropbo...

Luckily for them (and unluckily for consumers) they got away with that particular lie during the early years where it was most valuable.

There's also a fundamental problem that Arash doesn't understand security. This was clear after the incident where no password was required in order to login.

Arash claimed that this was only a problem if you were one of the unlucky few who was actually hacked. He didn't understand that a risk exposure is also a serious problem, even if you happen to dodge the bullet on that particular incident. In fact, he seemed to get quite angry with paying customers who were upset by it because in his mind you don't have the right to be even slightly bothered by a major screw-up unless you were affected that time.

I understand that at this point Dropbox is huge, so it's full of people like you who don't have anything to do with the customer-hostile bullshit that the founders did... but it's still impossible to trust anything you guys do. After all, when the CTO is untrustworthy, only a very, very naive person would trust the product as a whole.

Re: Why I Dropped Dropbox and got OwnCloud

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I was also looking to host my own cloud service. I tried OwnCloud (2 weeks ago) and I was fascinated by it... Well until it failed me and lost my test data. There is a major bug in it (try renaming a directory by changing one letter from small to capital). That being said, I started using BitTorrentSync which is a peer to peer sync and I am happy with it so far and I am still testing it.

How exactly does it (BitTorr..) sync data between my mobile & my laptop? If I have 100 Gigabytes of pics on my laptop. Will it attempt to copy it on my phone or does it cache a small portion? Does that need internet connection or will ad-hoc wifi work?

AFAIK, it'll try to copy it all. However, the practice is to separate content in a number of folders and sync only certain folders on certain devices. Slightly different approach than Dropbox, but works OK.
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