Hope this doesn't push the release date forward. (edit: Irony, people. Irony.)
Still not a very funny response to the recent death of eight people.
Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
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Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
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Look at how far China has progressed. It has nothing to do with Libertarianism, and everything to do with Economics...
Surely it must be possible to have economic development in poor countries without sweatshop-level exploitation.
The fact that something happened due to economics doesn't mean there aren't other ways it could happen.
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.
How often do you purposefully buy a more expensive product solely because it's better for the people making it?
That's not a fair question. A fair question is "how often do you purposefully buy a more expensive product when the marginal expense product exceeds the marginal benefit you derive?".
Nothing exists in a vacuum.
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Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty because of their manufacturing boom. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that you're still clinging to the outdated economic beliefs that used to keep the Chinese people poor and starving.
It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.
Yes, it is.
Do you have any proposal of a solution that does not make it more broken?
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty because of their manufacturing boom. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that you're still clinging to the outdated economic beliefs that used to keep the Chinese people poor and starving.
It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.
Who said the world is not broken? If it were not broken, why would we spend so much time trying to fix it?
People work in sweat shops because it is better than not working in a sweat shop. It is the bottom rung on a long ladder, albeit one that starts underwater in the sewer.
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty because of their manufacturing boom. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that you're still clinging to the outdated economic beliefs that used to keep the Chinese people poor and starving.
It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.
Well, we better keep them in poverty while we work on making the world perfect. You can be the one to tell them that they world isn't perfect yet, so you're going to keep them in poverty until it's ready.
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
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Ah yes, the wonderful world of libertarian thought. Where sweatshops to make cheap shit for rich countries is a win-win.
As someone who wholeheartedly disagrees with libertarian economic policies, I still find your facetious comment worthless. Hell, even Paul Krugman doesn't label the issue as black and white. I want to remove sweat shop conditions as much as anyone, but keeping people alive through poverty takes priority. Also, you don't fix sweat shop conditions by closing sweat shops. You just move them into the underground, where i…
Purely anecdotal, but a buddy of mine lives in Shenzhen and tells me that Apple's leading the pack in terms of sweatshop conditions. Whether that's completely true, who knows.
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, not at all. Like the other article linked by nodata, companies are moving from China to Vietnam because its cheaper. Seems a little greedy.
Except it's not. China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs. Infrastructure in Vietnam has improved to the extent that is ready for large manufacturing plants. While companies are saving by moving manufacturing plants, many people (millions) in Vietnam are going to experience higher standard of living. I say it's a win win.
> China has reached the stage in economic development that people are moving to higher skilled and higher paying jobs.
Yeah... 'caus that worked for Mexico... can China look forward to a descent into drug traficking fueled civil war now?
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
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Hundreds of millions of Chinese have been lifted out of poverty because of their manufacturing boom. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the fact that you're still clinging to the outdated economic beliefs that used to keep the Chinese people poor and starving.
It's a broken world where the solution to poverty is the exploitation of a generation.
You should take a look at the US from about 1880-1950... It's the case of every empire where things are built on the backs of the poor. Or in the case of earlier US, and many other societies, slaves.
That's simply how the world works. Sometimes it's a matter of greed, sometimes it isn't. The success of Walmart and Amazon seem to indicate that people will lean towards lower priced goods, period. Unless you don't buy any mass produced goods, and only source your needs to local crafts(|wo)men? Do you buy your clothes from a local tailor? How about your furniture from a domestic manufacturer?
Re: Workers on Samsung factory site battle police in Vietnam
#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
As someone who wholeheartedly disagrees with libertarian economic policies, I still find your facetious comment worthless. Hell, even Paul Krugman doesn't label the issue as black and white. I want to remove sweat shop conditions as much as anyone, but keeping people alive through poverty takes priority. Also, you don't fix sweat shop conditions by closing sweat shops. You just move them into the underground, where i…
Purely anecdotal, but a buddy of mine lives in Shenzhen and tells me that Apple's leading the pack in terms of sweatshop conditions. Whether that's completely true, who knows.
Leading the pack in which direction? Improving sweatshop conditions or the factories they use have the worst sweatshop conditions?