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How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

wikiburner wrote: post #16
granfalloon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You need to get permission from the copyright holder, which has gotten substantially more expensive over the years. Hip hop tracks back in the 80s and early 90s used to contain loads of different samples all mashed together, but it slowed down a bit after people started suing. Nowadays sampling isn't quite as popular, and sampled tracks don't usually use more than one or two samples. The rapper Fabolous had a hit son…

For non-commercial use, can an artist sample without legal threat? For example, if an artist is just posting 80s style tracks with dozens of uncleared samples on their website free for their fans to download, doesn't fair use allow for it?

Fair use isn't mutually exclusive with commercial use in the US though in practice there doesn't seem to be much scope for overlap.

Also free-gratis isn't co-terminous with non-commercial as - for example - giving away a competing product is a commercial activity. Also moral rights can arguably be harmed by sampling ... and then you've got parody exceptions ... it's nuance all the way down.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by Ideka »

mynameishere wrote: post #63

I'm pretty amazed by how accepted sampling is. You can cherry pick examples of uses and alterations of original works that are made...better, or at least distinct or unrecognizable. But that's rarely the case. What you usually get are unholy abominations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMfl3UGhOY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROoI-bYgGQ ...I guess it's partly ignorance on…

Can you link the originals?

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by vanderZwan »

001sky wrote: post #33
bazzargh wrote: post #19

Nitpicking, but that comment in the closing paragraph is jarring: "Anyone can put a urinal on the wall and call it art". It's clearly a reference to Marcel Duchamp's Fountain - a key work in the argument of what is and isn't art. However, that urinal, and its reproductions, were pointedly never mounted on a wall, but flat on a pedestal where it couldn't be used. It's like the author had heard the phrase but didn't kn…

"Anyone can put a urinal on the wall and call it art" I'm not sure this is too far from the point of duschamp's piece, which is that you can "put anything on a pedastal" and the "sign it", and as long as it's done by someone with a certain "aura", such an act becomes transformative. The "wall" and the "pedastal" need not be taken literally, IMHO. There is a whole "deconstruct the art gallery" theme that followed. Thi…

Oh for gods sake, are we still discussing this? It's been almost a hundred years. Look:

> Submitted for the exhibition of the Society of Independent Artists in 1917, Fountain was rejected by the committee, even though the rules stated that all works would be accepted from artists who paid the fee.

He was playfully trolling. That's what Dada was all about. Then it caused a stir, and in response to the controversy he didn't waver but kept going. "Let's see how far we can push this!"

I respect that, and the fact that people have been taking it as seriously as they have makes it more brilliant, but at its core it the whole thing was an epic art-troll by an already established artist. Can we finally get over that and stop over-interpreting it?

(bitter art school graduate)

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by bazzargh »

5555624 wrote: post #46
bazzargh wrote: post #19

Nitpicking, but that comment in the closing paragraph is jarring: "Anyone can put a urinal on the wall and call it art". It's clearly a reference to Marcel Duchamp's Fountain - a key work in the argument of what is and isn't art. However, that urinal, and its reproductions, were pointedly never mounted on a wall, but flat on a pedestal where it couldn't be used. It's like the author had heard the phrase but didn't kn…

Or the author saw it in a TV show or film. There's an episode of the old show, "My Name is Earl" which shows an art gallery and a urinal mounted on the wall. (Earl's brother Randy uses it and then comments how it doesn't flush.) That episode has been shown on TBS in the past week, so the author might have seen it.

Yup, and I did wonder about that (or generally if it was a recent pop culture reference). I checked google&IMDB before posting in case it was a quote. I didn't recall that MNIE episode - good spot.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by drv »

Ideka wrote: post #73
mynameishere wrote: post #63

I'm pretty amazed by how accepted sampling is. You can cherry pick examples of uses and alterations of original works that are made...better, or at least distinct or unrecognizable. But that's rarely the case. What you usually get are unholy abominations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMfl3UGhOY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROoI-bYgGQ ...I guess it's partly ignorance on…

Can you link the originals?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h04CH9YZcpI (John Mellencamp - Jack and Diane)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDpYBT0XyvA (Warren Zevon - Werewolves of London) + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Cyokaj3BJU (Lynyrd Skynyrd - Sweet Home Alabama)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs (The Police - Every Breath You Take)

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by lsv1 »

jarnix wrote: post #2

The way he talks is really great and you learn a lot from his tutorials.

But he gives bad advice regarding the warping of samples. After Ableton 7.0 was released the warping system changed from move the time into the sample to move the sample into the time. He's trying to use Ableton 8.0's warping mechanism the same way it worked in 7.0.

Granted the end result is the same, however, Ableton 9.0 defaults to the newer warping system.

It is unfair to give this advice to the viewer.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by girvo »

deevus wrote: post #65
rasur wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IIRC, the Prodigy's Liam claimed to have written one album in bed using Propellorheads' Reason (then moved to the studio to finish off in pro-tools). I know I've done stuff just point and click on the train home from work in both ableton live and Reason. It's not quite as fluid as having a real keyboard (or other instruments around), but it is completely doable.

This is not on the same level as Prodigy, but a great Australian electronic artist Flume [0] creates his music by "playing a Mac" [1] [0]: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flume_(musician) [1]: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/drive/flume-q26...

All of the electronic artists that are big in Aus right now do. Had drinks with a whole heaps of em at Bigsound a few weeks back and chatted to a few of them, all really nice people.

Re: How Daft Punk Created One of Their Most Famous Samples

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Post by dl8 »

mynameishere wrote: post #63

I'm pretty amazed by how accepted sampling is. You can cherry pick examples of uses and alterations of original works that are made...better, or at least distinct or unrecognizable. But that's rarely the case. What you usually get are unholy abominations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcMfl3UGhOY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oROoI-bYgGQ ...I guess it's partly ignorance on…

Even though Kanye West gets a lot of flak for his behavior, I think that most of the sampling that he's done (especially on his first 3 albums) has been amazing. Like taking a 2 second sound clip from Steely Dan's Kid Charlemagne and somehow transforming it into the main beat for his song in Champion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XaDeC2LEdA#t=68
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