I'm sorry, why the fuck is dead tree publication praising a religious bigot a top story on HN?
Time Person of the Year 2013
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The topic is humility, compassion, and charity. When is the last time these topics really had a globally influential champion? Er, since the last pope?! What makes this pope special from the others?
he's significantly more liberal. that is the whole point, really. maybe you should read the article?
"significantly more liberal" in this context means he's a slightly less hateful reactionary bigot.
If the pope ran for election in the average western democracy he would be far right, next to the neo-nazi's and the anti-immigrant parties.
But because it's the catholic church we even use the word "liberal" to describe his ideology.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure Snowden opened up a dialog when it comes to privacy etc. and that's a big deal for us because we live on the internet. This pope however is so transformational he could seriously do a lot to bring peace to the world. Potential wise, this guy trumps Snowden on every level. Take a moment to think about how powerful this guy really is. P.S I'm muslim.
Exactly. If your life is lived online, especially in the tech community echo chamber, Snowden is going to mean a lot more to you than he does to most people. There are 1.2 billion Catholics in the world. I attended Catholic church growing up, and the pope has a lot of influence on Catholics. Many of these people have portraits of the pope (at the time it was John Paul II) in central areas of their homes. If you aren'…
And for everyone who is angry about this, Snowden took first runner up. They clearly acknowledged him as hugely influential.
Am I the only person not shocked by each new leak? As in "What were you expecting. It's nice to have evidence, but did you really believe spy agencies were NOT spying. On everything."
Re: Time Person of the Year 2013
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The topic is humility, compassion, and charity. When is the last time these topics really had a globally influential champion? Er, since the last pope?! What makes this pope special from the others?
he's significantly more liberal. that is the whole point, really. maybe you should read the article?
If being "liberal" automatically equates to being "good" and you want to pick someone who has the maximum impact, well, there's probably at least one Muslim cleric out there who wants to ban the stoning of women, hanging of homosexuals and Saturday afternoon be-headings.
Re: Time Person of the Year 2013
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure Snowden opened up a dialog when it comes to privacy etc. and that's a big deal for us because we live on the internet. This pope however is so transformational he could seriously do a lot to bring peace to the world. Potential wise, this guy trumps Snowden on every level. Take a moment to think about how powerful this guy really is. P.S I'm muslim.
Agreed. When I saw the link on Hacker News, my gut reaction was that it was probably Snowden; however, I have to say I think the Pope was the far better choice (and I'm an atheist). He's the first Pope from what is often called the Global South, and really brings a different perspective and emphasis on cultural and economic issues that could have massive implications for the entire world (whether you're Christian, Mu…
Are awards being simply handed out for being the "first" at something?
Also why do you think the Pope has any influence on a Muslim, Hindu or Jew? Do you think the local imam or rabbi is busy dissecting the Pope's latest press releases?
Re: Time Person of the Year 2013
#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
he's significantly more liberal. that is the whole point, really. maybe you should read the article?
"significantly more liberal" in this context means he's a slightly less hateful reactionary bigot. If the pope ran for election in the average western democracy he would be far right, next to the neo-nazi's and the anti-immigrant parties. But because it's the catholic church we even use the word "liberal" to describe his ideology.
this simply doesn't make sense. i live in a catholic country with extreme right-wing parties. they are to the right of this pope. they are worried by him.
also, try learning how the word "more" modifies an adjective. 1e99 is "more small" than 1e100.
i despair at the level of comments here.
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#77I'm continually amazed at the frequent and detailed coverage, by every major news organization, expended on every snore and snuffle emitted by this one weird cult. I'm almost as amazed by my own persistent naivete: I went to Time fully expecting to see Snowden.
"And in the same fashion, while we can if we choose see the Church amid a mob of Mithraic or Manichean superstitions squabbling and killing each other at the end of the Empire, while we can if we choose imagine the Church killed in the struggle and some other chance cult taking its place, we shall be the more surprised (and possibly puzzled) if we meet it two thousand years afterwards rushing through the ages as the winged thunderbolt of thought and everlasting enthusiasm; a thing without rival or resemblance; and still as new as it is old."
– G.K. Chesterton, The Everlasting Man, 1925
Re: Time Person of the Year 2013
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
And in Obama's case, that turned out to be extremely premature. So learn from history? Then again didn't Time give this award to Hitler, too? So yeah, they don't exactly have a good record of learning from history.
Maybe Snowden beats Francis in the race for the next Nobel Peace Prize ;)
The actions of Snowden are far more likely to cause war than stop it. Some of Francis' actions are more cause to stop "holy war" than anything else.
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#79Time awarding Snowden POY would them look out of the loop. That seems to be the logiical PR explanation. Vatican is really a diminished institution, while the NSA is ascendent. This just impugns the relevance of Time mag's editorial, in a way...which is not flattering.
Interesting comparison. The NSA will never need the Inquisition to assert its power though, they already know. Knowledge is power.
What do you mean by "never need the Inquisition"? The CIA/DIA/NSA Inquisition has been happening 24x7 for years now; we just haven't been privy to it.
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#80Did they finally just throw out the poll data and go with whoever they wanted? I remember originally Snowden was winning by a landslide.
The last data I had seen (when I'd voted), had Miley Cyrus ahead by millions of votes. When did Snowden jump ahead? Was that 4chan "to the rescue"?