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Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

I think you are underestimating the weight of the word "torture" here. I mean sure it can be better but torture ? Really?

I'm sure you're overestimating the use of casual language here.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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>> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. > Sure it is! So you'd be fine with a 3840x2160 monitor that has a 5Hz refresh rate? Or one with a 500ms lag time? Or one that only displayed in grayscale, or in 8-bit color? Resolution is perhaps the most important consideration, but by no means the only one.

This would be a valid concern if it still would be 1999. FYI the T220 (3840×2400!) already had 41hz back in 2001. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_T220/T221_LCD_monitors

I have a T221 (not too expensive if you buy it on Yahoo Japan auctions via a suitable proxy). I was only able to get it up to 25Hz due to having only two DVI ports on my laptop docking station. I tried every thing known to mankind to get four DVI or two dual DVI and convert those to the special ports of the T221. No dice.

As it runs at 1920x2400@25 Hz you can't really watch a movie on the screen because in the middle of the screen where the two halves meet you have a weird effect of any movie due to, I guess, low frame rate and not completely sync'd outputs. I guess you could confine it to one half of the monitor but gosh, are you going to watch your movies in 11" ?

If the monitor will allow for 3840x2400@30Hz on DisplayPort 1.1 (which most people have -- 1.2 is rare, Intel got it in Haswell, and I think nVidia got to 1.2 maybe late 2011) that may be enough for coding and watching movies. Forget games. Time will tell. I will try when the monitor has a three figures price tag.

Also, 4K displays achieving 60Hz over DisplayPort 1.2 are http://www.hardwareluxx.com/index.php/reviews/hardware/vgaca... using the same tiling dual display (at least currently), with each tile being 1920x2160@60Hz and producing weird effects as thearticle shows.

Also, it will be fun and games when, unlike with DVI where figuring out whether you had SL or DL was relatively easy you will now need to figure out whether you have DisplayLink 1.1 or 2.0 with zero difference on the connector.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

I love my new Retina MBP, however the most annoying thing I found was dealing with so many non-retina things that look hideously blurry lol. I don't have a problem with the screen though, but weirdly enough in the last year or so I've had real problems with iPads. Like if I read or use it for even a short while, I get that nauseous headache feeling. Apparently it might have to do with LED screens.

To be honest I rather prefer a non-retina screen. I've got a chance to play with an rMBP and my wife has a Retina iPad mini.

The line details on UIs are too thin so contrast disappears and the text verticals are too thin so it hinders readability for me. iOS 7 admittedly doesn't help that but it's not for me.

Oh and according to my optician I have better than average sight.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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A 4K 39" TV has less resolution than a 4K 24" monitor. Just do the math! This isn't about real estate; it is easy to buy a big monitor, but about pixel density.

Your point about the importance of pixel density is a good one, but the pedantry is misplaced. Resolution in the context of display resolution has referred to pixel count, not pixel density, for decades.

Yes, that was a mistake on my part. I meant to just talk about pixel density and somehow wrote in resolution.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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I'm left wondering how long until we have mainstream video cards capable of driving games at these resolutions? Seems like we're a ways off...

Oh yes, we are way, way off at this stage. Check this recent benchmark from Phoronix (on Linux, at least, Windows gaming may be a little better in performance...): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_uhd... With a Titan card from nVidia, maxing out at 20 FPS on Unigine, it's pretty depressing. We need to see a 2 to 3x fold performance increase in graphics cards for gaming to be realistic on 4k sc…

Bare in mind that the Titan is not the fastest GPU, the 290x and the 780ti are. And they're decent at 4K: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti...

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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Oh yes, we are way, way off at this stage. Check this recent benchmark from Phoronix (on Linux, at least, Windows gaming may be a little better in performance...): http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_uhd... With a Titan card from nVidia, maxing out at 20 FPS on Unigine, it's pretty depressing. We need to see a 2 to 3x fold performance increase in graphics cards for gaming to be realistic on 4k sc…

Bare in mind that the Titan is not the fastest GPU, the 290x and the 780ti are. And they're decent at 4K: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/11/11/geforce_gtx_780_ti...

Depends what you call decent. 15 FPS(minimum) at medium settings in Crysis3 is hardly what I'd call decent for the best graphics chip out there. I'd say it's playable at best, but far from being where you want to be.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. Sure it is! Reading on a monitor is pure torture ever since I bought a Retina MBP. If this is anywhere close to being affordable (realistically: no) I'd buy it for that reason alone.

>> Resolution isn't the only consideration when buying a new monitor. > Sure it is! So you'd be fine with a 3840x2160 monitor that has a 5Hz refresh rate? Or one with a 500ms lag time? Or one that only displayed in grayscale, or in 8-bit color? Resolution is perhaps the most important consideration, but by no means the only one.

I can safely say I won't tolerate less than 20Hz, 50ms. Anything below that, even if the color 8-bit and a little wonky, and the viewing angle poor, and it is a bit dim, I'm taking it. I guess the other considerations are price and compatibility.

Re: Dell Leaks Details of a 24” UHD 4K (3840x2160) Monitor

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I really wish companies would stop selling monitors with their logo placed obnoxiously on the front. I don't care if they put the logo on any other part of the display, but why do they have to ruin the front of it? I really love looking at plain black slabs, with nothing to distract me from the content within. I want to buy a couple of monitors and mount them. But there's just one small thing stopping me. I don't kno…

I think this is a problem too. I can understand the manufacturers wanting their logo on the bottom though.

If I was a screen manufacturer I would have a speaker bar on the bottom that has the logo and a few easy brightness controls on it - total Fisher Price usability.

I would then add in a feature for the pros - have it so the speaker/controls bar can be folded up under the screen.

In that way people that like their bling logos could have the logo on view, those that just want a panel can have no distractions.

If engineered nicely you could have USB and video inputs on the drop-down bar made accessible from the front.

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