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Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by w0rd-driven »

joshguthrie wrote: post #70
pjmlp wrote: post #60

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Let me guess, you used plain cmd instead of PowerShell.

True. I had used cmd for about 15 years before that, so while using "cd" or "dir" and the classic lingo was okay, doing everything rails-related in CLI just felt..clunky: "why would you have such a bad interface? EasyPHP does everything just fine with a GUI!". Had I known CLI could be more intuitive (hello pipes!), I'd have looked up for a better alternative sooner =)

RailsInstaller does a really good job now. Windows now feels second class but that's much better than 4th-5th-good luck getting anything to run. I see more people in the #RoR Irc channel admit to using windows so its gaining traction. I don't think it'll ever be 1:1 and I have a Linux host for a reason but it isn't a jarring experience anymore for sure.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by w0rd-driven »

jules wrote: post #47
weavie wrote: post #35

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Well, they're not taking that away from you. You can still get started with the basics. But even node apps can get big. It's the debugging story I'm really digging here. Being able to just set a breakpoint and hit f5 is real exciting as opposed to having to type "debugger" in your code and then sit around for ages. It's a shame I do all my node work on a Mac. I'm guessing this won't be available for VS express?

Just like Python tools for VS it probably won't work with VS express, but it probably will work with the freely available VS shell (that is just the bare Visual Studio IDE without any existing language support in it). So you can get the whole package for free, but obviously only this node.js plugin will be open source.

WebMatrix 3 makes a decent free Node/PHP IDE. It isn't as polished as this looks to be and nothing really beats VS proper as it were but it makes a pretty convincing run at being second place behind VS Express and at least supports a basic idea of plugins/extensions.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by ams6110 »

fro wrote: post #19

Seems like overkill. Part of why Node is great and so easy to get started with is that all you need is a browser, a text editor, and the terminal. I suppose for people that already use VS this is good, but maybe we should encourage them to write Node apps outside of that environment instead of shoving Node into a giant IDE.

Ahhh... a browser, a text editor (emacs for me) and a terminal. That's my ideal dev environment. I've never been able to figure out IDEs.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by ams6110 »

gum_ina_package wrote: post #13

Seeing things like this gives me hope that one day Windows will be a first class os for web development. Now if I could just maximize the command prompt window....

I used to use something called puTTYcyg when I used cygwin on windows. It seems that it's no longer maintained, but it was a decent terminal for Windows without going whole-hog X11 in cygwin.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by aespinoza »

balac wrote: post #51
aespinoza wrote: post #50

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windows is a first class os for web development. what is it lacking? i have coded in ruby, python, java and go for the web. also used different web servers including apache and tomcat.

For me the lack of many unix tools is a killer and cygwin doesn't cut it. Many build scripts assume a unixy environment and windows is flat-out not supported. Lack of a proper package manager also makes installing and configuring workstations a hassle.

I don't think the package manager matters to be honest.

In python I use pip.

In ruby I use rubygems.

In java I use maven for dependencies.

in node.js I use npm.

So really, even in ubuntu or macosx you will use theses tools.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by shadowfox »

abrichr wrote: post #17
gum_ina_package wrote: post #13

Seeing things like this gives me hope that one day Windows will be a first class os for web development. Now if I could just maximize the command prompt window....

ConEmu [1] has made CLI on Windows much more tolerable for me. [1] http://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/

Conemu with powershell and PSReadline [1] has made things a lot nicer.

[1] https://github.com/lzybkr/PSReadLine

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by wernercd »

gum_ina_package wrote: post #46
anurse wrote: post #45

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ConEmu ( https://code.google.com/p/conemu-maximus5/ ) + Quake Mode = Awesome :)

THIS. ConEmu + Scoop ( http://scoop.sh ) has made using Windows much much much more productive for me.

http://chocolatey.org/

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by jongalloway2 »

aespinoza wrote: post #75
balac wrote: post #51

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For me the lack of many unix tools is a killer and cygwin doesn't cut it. Many build scripts assume a unixy environment and windows is flat-out not supported. Lack of a proper package manager also makes installing and configuring workstations a hassle.

I don't think the package manager matters to be honest. In python I use pip. In ruby I use rubygems. In java I use maven for dependencies. in node.js I use npm. So really, even in ubuntu or macosx you will use theses tools.

And you can install them all from chocolatey, if you need a package manager manager.

Re: Node.js Tools for Visual Studio

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Post by LeafyGreenbriar »

For Mac or Linux noders who would prefer an IDE to a simple editor + command line tools, IntelliJ with the Node plugin is pretty good. It has code assist and debugging built in, and IntelliJ is just generally a very good IDE.

Edit: WebStorm from the same company (JetBrains) is cheaper if you don't need all the java tools support.

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