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Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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I have both installed for a few years now (Debian on Desktop and Server, Ubuntu on Laptop). First of all every article mentioning something like "I switched recently and everything is fine" just gives me a little sad smile. Yes - every Distro after a fresh install will usually work pretty well by now. Problems tend to show after using it daily for a few months. My experience is that new Ubuntu versions tend to mess u…

> Pretty much every Desktop application where you want > newer versions is simply not available. I'll never understand why this argument is made so frequently. The only explanation I can think of is that I use entirely different apps than most people do. I use Debian Stable on my desktop computer, and I have the latest, or nearly the latest, versions of the apps that I use most. I use backports, third-party repos, an…

Things change all the time. Last time I searched (shortly after wheezy release when I first needed a newer Firefox and Iceweasel was not yet in backports) I couldn't find a current Firefox version build which worked on 64-bit Linux. So yeah - your link is one I haven't seen back then (not checking every week...) so I installed the nightly build instead which was recommended to me. Which worked for a while - until I think maybe 2 weeks ago when it first had some troubles on screen-updates, which got fixed one release later, but that fix-release broke flash (I stopped counting how often flash broke after an update by now, yeah, we all hate it, but still...). But thanks for the link, I will give that release you posted a shot next weekend - maybe I get a working browser back then for a while. Note - you can get stuff working again always in some way, but over the years I had to do that for a working browser over and over and over again every few months!

And well, I mentioned backports and binaries and compiling stuff yourself etc. But that has it's own share of troubles. Problems I had with backports for example had been package conflicts and missing source dependencies, which means hunting problems in there sometimes already fails in the "get shit compiling" stage. Then certainly not all apps are in there. A quick check for the apps I use often showed: Pidgin and xchat are in there (but both 1 version behind, which means several months...) while clang, Filezilla, MyPaint, Pencil and Audacity for example are not. A quick comparison on my Laptop showed that for all of those except Pencil (which seems outdated on both systems) newer versions are available at the moment in Ubuntu - in around half the time even the most current version. Also one gets a simple installer with the newest version for each of those (except clang) on Windows (just somewhat sad to see how it is often easier to run free software tools on Windows).

And this is still pretty much at start of this release cycle, experience tells me that it tends to get worse until the end.

Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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Any elementaryOS love around here?

+1 I love ElementaryOS, specially the Gala Window Manager. It is so fast and full-featured compared to Unity or Gnome3 Shell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shXSV-9PJaU

I tried opening multiple terminals/tabs, holding the shortcut... was disappointed. To me it seems like Linux graphics never feel "good" like Windows'.

Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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I have been pretty happy with Xubuntu, I get all the Ubuntu benefits without the Unity or GNOME 3 mess.

But you don't get all the benefits :( For example, Xubuntu (IIRC) won't even have a Wifi widget for setting up your network. If you mount a pendrive, how do you access? You have to open a a file explorer or you won't see it... etc.

Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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For me there is a more mundane reason why I think about switching my servers over from Ubuntu to Debian. "Graphics" That's right. It seems that Ubutu even on servers starts some high-res console or does other stuff that causes a black screen during boot. It requires fiddling with alt-fx keys to get a console. I never had such issues with Debian. I switched away from Debian because so many software was out-dated and a…

>It seems that Ubutu even on servers starts some high-res console or does other stuff that causes a black screen during boot. It requires fiddling with alt-fx keys to get a console. That sounds like it might be a side effect of kernel mode setting and/or splash screens. You can try to disable both by changing GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash " to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset " in /etc/default/grub an…

Yes thanks, I recall this works, but I don't like the mindset of having this stuff on a server-edition of your OS to begin with.

Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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For me there is a more mundane reason why I think about switching my servers over from Ubuntu to Debian. "Graphics" That's right. It seems that Ubutu even on servers starts some high-res console or does other stuff that causes a black screen during boot. It requires fiddling with alt-fx keys to get a console. I never had such issues with Debian. I switched away from Debian because so many software was out-dated and a…

I have the Ubuntu LTS installed on most of my servers and I've never had to worry about graphics or using Alt+Fx (those are the extra tty's on the desktop Ubuntu for me). According to the Ubuntu documentation [1]: "Unlike the desktop version, Ubuntu Server does not include a graphical installation program. Instead the Server Edition uses a console menu-based process." There is no "graphics" issue for me. Are you sure…

Yes I'm sure, during installation it's all ncurses/text, but when boot, it does use some high-res graphics mode showing the ubuntu logo. I like the high-res console, very spiffy, but it often causes troubles on the hardware I used.

Re: Moving from Ubuntu to Debian

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I have both installed for a few years now (Debian on Desktop and Server, Ubuntu on Laptop). First of all every article mentioning something like "I switched recently and everything is fine" just gives me a little sad smile. Yes - every Distro after a fresh install will usually work pretty well by now. Problems tend to show after using it daily for a few months. My experience is that new Ubuntu versions tend to mess u…

> Pretty much every Desktop application where you want > newer versions is simply not available. I'll never understand why this argument is made so frequently. The only explanation I can think of is that I use entirely different apps than most people do. I use Debian Stable on my desktop computer, and I have the latest, or nearly the latest, versions of the apps that I use most. I use backports, third-party repos, an…

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